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submitted 10 months ago by clark@midwest.social to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

*In terms of privacy, customisation, camera quality, and battery time.

For the longest time I have only used either iPhone or Samsung. I plan on switching to Android for the next phone I get, but I find that Samsung phones are often too big for me and put too much energy on camera quality (I don’t take many photos). I have started to look into brands such as Nokia and Motorola, and I would like to know what you guys think of them. Additionally, do you suggest any other phone brands aside from them? My biggest priorities are privacy and long battery time. Bonus if the phone can run LineageOS (I have excluded Graphene as they are only compatible with Pixel phones).

Thank you for any answers. Cheers!

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[-] headroom@lemmy.ml 67 points 10 months ago

I don't get people claiming stock iPhone is private. We literally have very little idea. It's a closed system. It's private if you take Apple's word but all the other manufacturers also have similar claims. Why trust Apple and not them?

On top of that you end up locked into their ecosystem, unable to use most FOSS applications or have cut down versions of them because daddy Apple didn't like some features.

[-] Rose@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

A friend told me there's no point in stealing them as it's impossible to unlock or wipe them, which would give them the edge at least in that respect. Is this accurate?

[-] headroom@lemmy.ml 30 points 10 months ago

Yes iPhones are secure but not private. The two are related but different concepts. I'm not sure what exactly your friend is referring to though.

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[-] FierySpectre@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

This is accurate, it is also accurate for (at least some part of) android though... Going into recovery boot requires the phone pin for my mid-range phone. Hell even turning off the phone can be set to require pin or biometric.

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[-] ebits21@lemmy.ca 39 points 10 months ago
[-] EntropyPure@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

In regards to stock systems, I agree.

Been stuck in the convenient ecosystem for a while, and I cope by telling myself Apple makes the bulk of its money with hardware and services. Not ads like Google. But if I would start over from zero, I think Graphene OS and Linux would be the way. But migrating the whole family away from our current Apple line up - I dread that challenge.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

Eh, you can always start with yourself. Let the rest make their own decisions.

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[-] Mazoku@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

This made me laugh

[-] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The downside of Google Pixels is that they don't have jack connector and sd slot.

But I accepted the deal just to use GrapheneOS (I bought one used on ebay). Sometimes the battery lasts 3 days without being recharged.

People at GrapheneOS should really focus on some brand that cares about users on the hardware side.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago

Yup, I honestly don't care about the special features on the Pixel (esp camera), I literally only want it because of GrapheneOS and longer term software support.

I would love it if the GrapheneOS project made their own phone and supported it for a really long time. Maybe coordinate with Fairphone or something, IDK.

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[-] authed@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

another good place to buy a used one is https://swappa.com

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[-] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 25 points 10 months ago

For me it has to be Fairphone. They are more expensive than the others to buy new but they are more aligned with openness and free software. They receive updates for a long time, are well supported by CalyxOS, /e/os, Linux mobile OSs etc, are repairable, you can carry extra batteries, usually have an SD card slot and two SIM slots and are more environmentally-friendly than others.

[-] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

i second getting a fairphone, but look into a second battery or a power bank for heavy use.

[-] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 23 points 10 months ago

Don't exclude Pixel phones so quickly. They are one of the most versatile for custom ROMs, and they check all of your checkboxes. I love my CalxyOS Pixel 6.

[-] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago
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[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 4 points 10 months ago

The pixel 6 is a heavy POS. I like the 4a. Its refreshingly & reasonably sized

[-] guyrocket@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago

What phone brand do you like the best?

(I have excluded Graphene as they are only compatible with Pixel phones).

You're asking this on the privacy mag and intentionally/explicitly exclude the best privacy option with no explanation.

Wtf.

[-] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 11 points 10 months ago

GrapheneOS isn’t a phone brand.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 19 points 10 months ago

It might as well be since it only works on Google Pixels.

[-] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 14 points 10 months ago

If privacy is important, a custom ROM is highly recommended or rather mandatory. Most brands have locked boot loader which can't be unlocked immediately without voiding warranty. Some let you to using some bs proprietary software but only after few months. That was the only reason I had to resort to getting a pixel. So look into all the brands available to you and check their policy on custom rooms before looking into the mobile themselves.

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[-] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago

Sony. They still have a headphone jack.

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[-] nemys@explorer.niwego.com 13 points 10 months ago

@clark
Google Pixel with GrapheneOS
@privacy

[-] communism@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

Why exclude GrapheneOS? It's a really good mobile OS, and the creator has given his reasons for only supporting Pixels.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago

xiaomi has awesome hardware, audio jack, sd slot, even ir blaster.

their privacy policy is bad, but a lot of them have official lineageos (and microg-patched lineage) and it works really really well.

[-] melooone@feddit.de 4 points 10 months ago

Currently in the process of installing Lineageos on my brothers redmi note 10 pro.

Its a huge pain compared to my phone, mainly because unlocking the bootloader requires an account with his number connected. Then I had to install Windows to use their shitty unlock app, which the requires you to wait up to 30 days for seemingly no reason. Luckily "just" a week for us.

But yeah the hardware is amazing.

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[-] JoeBidet@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago
[-] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You can't just recommend Pinephone.
It is at best an half baked device. Phone calls are not that good and I had to manually enable VoLTE and flashed a custom firmware on the modem.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

I'd love a Pinephone, but that's not happening until it's usable as a phone, meaning:

  • MMS
  • decent call audio
  • reliable wake up from suspend
  • decent battery life

I don't even care about the camera working, fingerprint sensors, etc. I literally just want a phone that works reliably as a phone with super long term software support.

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[-] vfosnar@beehaw.org 9 points 10 months ago

second hand Xiaomi + flash Lineage, good hardware for the price, community support

[-] Neps 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Oneplus with lineage os is pretty good but they sorta make it a pain to unlock the bootloader if the phone was not originally factory unlocked.

[-] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

i daily a Fairphone 4, has neither the best camera nor the best battery life. but it's the most repairable and durable phone i've owned.

i've had extremely good experieces with oneplus phones, dunno about custom ROM support though.

i've also heard good things about modern motorola phones, if the ROM support is there it's worth a shot imo.

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[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not under your specs but the Sony Xperia line offers a headphone jack + microSD, can be unlocked, & has flagship specs (1 & 5). The 5 & 10 models are also smaller devices that actually fit in one hand too. This characteristic combo does not come in the other models folks are suggesting. Older models have LineageOS for microG support if you want an ungoogled phone (but beware the stock camera app is trash).

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[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

Xiaomi and Oneplus have some battery beasts of phones.

[-] penquin@lemmy.kde.social 7 points 10 months ago

I just got a OnePlus 12 and this phone is fantastic. Bootloader is unlocked and you can do whatever you want. Battery is amazing. Charger is insane. Camera is more than decent. Price is very reasonable for what it offers.

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

I like fairphone the best out of all the ones that are currently available, however, my next phone will be a Pixel 8A because grapheneos doesn't support fairphone

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 10 months ago

I focus on the OS. However, I like the moto phones. I've had mine for 5 or 6 years and I don't have any reason to change.

[-] supercriticalcheese@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

My assus zenphone is quite good in a compact package and minimal changes to android.

No idea about customisation though.

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[-] Zeroxxx@lemmy.id 5 points 10 months ago

Samsung Ultra all the way. It has top of the world hardware, software support

AND I can customize my phone the way I want.

[-] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As I usually unlock bootloader, I just buy cheap Chinese phones from around 100 bucks, right now I'm using a FreeYond M5 5G. Debloated and rooted. Working like a charm.

Edit: I prefer Motorola over Nokia.

[-] caesaravgvstvs@feddit.de 4 points 10 months ago

I've asked a similar question not long ago and the consensus was pixel, even though I had already ruled them out in my question.

I still haven't changed phones but I'm leaning on a nothing 2a, since it's reasonably priced for the storage that I want.

However, I've been looking at phones based on the specs I want and check XDA forums and see how active they are, in the hopes I get a phone popular enough that has long term community support

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