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[-] Lugh@futurology.today 189 points 6 months ago

Good news for pigs. I'll be delighted to see factory farming disappear and be replaced by tech like this.

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[-] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 92 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Technically kosher because there's no cloven hooves?

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 47 points 6 months ago

As a technical Jew I can say that yes, this is technically kosher ^disclaimer: I have no knowledge at all of Jewish custom or scripture^

[-] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 10 points 6 months ago
[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 39 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Their mother was Jewish but they haven't been taught the religion, making them technically Jewish but without any knowledge of Judaism.

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[-] DucktorZee@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago

I culture cells for a living. Not that these are the only ways, but the most common and effective ways to grow cells in the lab is to add either FBS (fetal bovine serum) or BSA (bovine serum albumin) to the culture media. Currently we don't mass produce BSA in an animal free manner and FBS is by nature an animal product. Granted, that the products of one animal may in fact allow manufacturers produce more than enough 'animal-free meat' to overcome this but I haven't seen any numbers. I'm interested in hearing more about these techniques going forward and in determining if animal-free products can really be produced animal free.

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago

Do you use Fetal Bovine Serum (FBS) to make your meat?

No, for a simple reason: we’re committed to making meat without causing any harm at all to animals. So we’ve developed a production process that doesn’t require FBS.

That's what they say.

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[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 85 points 6 months ago

Sausage seems like the perfect entry point for this technology. People don't really care what goes in them as long as it tastes good. It's also a lot more forgiving from a texture perspective. It would even be feasible to expand to more exotic sausages like pheasant or alligator.

[-] KillingAndKindess 25 points 6 months ago

I know i'm in a significant minority, but I care a great deal what goes in processed pork products (or rather, my gut cares). I've yet to pin down which "preservative" commonly used in pork/pork-like products I'm allergic to, but I have a serious problem with even Kosher Hot dogs.

Basically, if its not fresh homemade bratwurst or sausage, I just can't eat it.

I'm sure that, if these methods continue to become more viable than their livestock counterparts, then the need to use at least some preservatives will decrease... hopefully.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 months ago

Man, that's gotta suck. Not knowing exactly what's causing the problem can mean it being a problem unexpectedly with other things.

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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

One problem I've noticed with currently available meat alternatives is that they are even more processed than real meat.

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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 59 points 6 months ago

I'm skeptical. It's been really picking hard to get those things to grow in a vat. This would be a huge breakthrough, and popsci has a way of leaving out critical, fatal details.

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 47 points 6 months ago

Sustainable sources of real meat without killing animals are very welcome! Good luck to them because killing things to eat meat is the worst.

My hope is that these alternative meat industries also factor in job creation opportunities for people who are working in conventional meat production right now—if there’s populist pressure towards moving for more lucrative and safer jobs in lab-manufactured meats, that would be help reduce pressure from farm industry lobbyists, I think.

But the above is a secondary goal (and maybe the responsibility of another party), and shouldn’t distract from the primary goal of researching methods to create sustainable, cruelty-free lab-manufactured meats!

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 19 points 6 months ago

people who are working in conventional meat production right now

The industry is ripe with conditions that at least approximate human trafficking and anything lab-grown sounds like basically completely automated, and where it isn't you need highly skilled professionals. Not of the "is dexterous and can learn to make a clean cut fast" kind, but of the "degree in cell biology" kind.

Jobs for people without advanced education are getting rarer and rarer, that isn't going to change, and don't look to industry to change that they have the exact opposite incentive. If, OTOH, you introduce something like an UBI soon you'll have a gazillion people getting into pottery or knife or furniture making or whatnot, again doing actual crafts because it's economically feasible because you don't have to sell your stuff for prices only rich people can afford just to make a living.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Honestly you will not need a college degree to run a bioreactor. It won't be automated because it'll consist of cleaning, taking out the outputs and refilling the inputs. You do for inventing the reactor, but not for running it.

Whoever's overseeing many of them will need a degree, but labor will mostly still be labor.

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[-] Brekky@lemmy.world 44 points 6 months ago

This sounds like good news but what I don't want is one big corporation replacing hundreds/thousands of worldwide farmers and having total control over the cost of selling this to consumers.

[-] MashedTech@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago

We need local individual owned stem cell meat farms.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It'd really become an art if it became accessible enough to do locally. Getting the right texture, marbling, tenderness, etc.

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[-] BuryMyHorse@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Bladerunner

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[-] TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

Most of the production in the us already comes from 2-3 giant corporate farms. It is simply more effeciant.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 17 points 6 months ago

Those farms receive immense subsidies as well. No, it's not efficient, it's just what the US economic system produces.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 20 points 6 months ago

Good news, these farmers can start growing stuff to feed humans instead!

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[-] revisable677@feddit.de 34 points 6 months ago

I've been waiting for that for so long. Just hope governments and people give it a fair chance instead of jumping rashly negative conclusions just because it is lab grown. So is beer, and cheese, and most other things we consume.

[-] derpgon@programming.dev 12 points 6 months ago

I mean, with modern sausages, it's mostly trash or overpriced. They taste like they have 5% meat, 95% sawdust.

[-] invisiblegorilla@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago

No idea where you get your sausages but look elsewhere

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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

OK, but how does it taste?

Sausage is smart since you can get away with a lot of textural sins, and it's already expected to be packed with sodium.

Follow-up questions will also include price.

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[-] buzz86us@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago

I like the idea, and I hope it scales to be significantly cheaper than murder sausage

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[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago

give me vegan-friendly bacon and I'm in. Sausage is easy.

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[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

Fantastic. I can't wait to have cruelty free meat products

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

Still won't stop the "alpha male" types from hating it because they base their entire personality around doing what they think wi make other people mad.

[-] Godnroc@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

This won't stop douchebags from being douchebags?

[-] thorbot@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

What the fuck does this have to do with the article?

[-] Masterblaster420@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

the entire concept implies a way to eat meat without having to slaughter animals.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 months ago

I'm not exactly what you would call concerned about meat as a food source. I'm fine with it. But anything that can break the need for industrial farming is a damn good thing imo.

I'm eager for a good product to come to market so I can at least try it. So far, there hasn't been one that's available that's priced well enough to be a viable choice, nor that matches expectations of taste. Textures have gotten good though.

But I think a sausage format is a great place for cultured meats to break into because there's a wide range of ingredients with different flavors already. We're used to sausages being fairly varied in taste and texture, so adding a new type is less of a "new food" barrier. Tbh though, it's gotta be better than veggie sausages, those are pretty meh at best.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 12 points 6 months ago

This stuff was basically ready to go minus scaling up two decades ago. They were still working on adding marbling and texture into steaks that could fool you in a blind test, but amazed it’s taken this long to get to sausages.

[-] Zacryon@feddit.de 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I think you got your timing wrong. The first prototype of cultured meat was presented 2013 and costed about 250.000 € back then. "Minus scaling up" was and is a pretty big issue.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/aug/05/world-first-synthetic-hamburger-mouth-feel

[-] tomten@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Ok but how long does it take to get the stemcells

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[-] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 months ago

Wait until pig cancer cells turn into sausages 90 times faster

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