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Depicting a heap of contorted bodies and screaming faces, the statue was unveiled Tuesday as part of an exhibition of “forbidden art” that organizers said had been censored or “deemed subversive” by Hong Kong and mainland China.

The exhibition was hosted by Jens Galschiøt, the Danish artist behind the famous sculpture, and Kira Marie Peter-Hansen, a member of the European Parliament (MEP). A further six MEPs, including representatives from each of the parliament’s five largest political coalitions, were listed as co-hosts.

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[-] bloor@feddit.de 120 points 9 months ago

That's good, however it's again just symbolism. A real signal would be to begin cutting ties with China on a path to end our economical dependency on them.

[-] germanatlas 44 points 9 months ago

In theory yes, in practice we should then also cut ties with every other nation that committed a massacre or oppressed its population, which… checks notes… would be almost every nation.

Why not Turkey for the Armenian Genocide, why not Australia for the treatment of aboriginal people, why not the USA and Canada for the treatment of indigenous people? Why not Great Britain for conquering half of the planet and enslaving people?

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Nobody is saying you have to be perfect. Obviously every past society has flaws and pockmarks. The point is acknowledging past wrongs and seeking reconciliation and seeking to improve.

Denying atrocities makes atrocities worse, because it means you will repeat the errors.

[-] Vilian@lemmy.ca 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

why not cut ties because of the people in power? people in power today are not the ones that made these crimes, ~~except china~~ i'm stupid

[-] germanatlas 11 points 9 months ago

And also excepting Israel, Kongo, Russia, UAE, Myanmar, Saudi Arabia, South Sudan and still the USA.

And on a side note Xi Jinping, the man in power today, didn’t do the TS massacre, he came to power in 2012

[-] Verdorrterpunkt@feddit.de 9 points 9 months ago

Most of these sound quite reasonable, if i think about it.

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[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

So he should have no problem acknowledging the issue and seeking reconciliation.

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[-] Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 9 months ago

Rich people never do anything financially adverse so virtue signaling is the only thing that works for them.

[-] DdCno1@beehaw.org 9 points 9 months ago

We'll see this finally happening when China attacks Taiwan.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 57 points 9 months ago

Oh man, the tankies are out in force today, aren’t they?

[-] stockente@feddit.de 8 points 9 months ago

Sorry for my ignorance, but what are 'tankies'?

[-] MalachaiConstant@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Far-left authoritarians. In this case, CCP supporters/apologists

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

If China didn't censor everything to do with something that totally didn't happen I'm sure they'd be very upset.

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

What about banning imports from any company that is using forced labour?

[-] Nudding@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

So no business with the US?

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[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

Meanwhile, Belgium has several monuments glorifying the colonization of congo but I couldn't find one dedicated to the victims of Léopold II's brutal colonial practices...

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 9 months ago
[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Believe it or not, one can think the Tiananmen massacre was bad, and also think colonization was bad.

I'm just not a fan of countries' moral posturing about other countries' exactions while sweeping their own under the rug. And I'm french, so my own country is definitely part of this shitty hypocritical club.

[-] 0x815@feddit.de 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

@Sylvartas

There's a lot wrong with Western colonization, but this whataboutism is once again out of place.

One difference between contemporary Europe and contemporary China is that the former consists mostly of democracies, and even though they may be imperfect democracies, there is freedom of speech.

For example, you are free to criticise your country's history, the actual politics, or freely express your opinion on any subject you want.

However, if you are organising candlelight vigils in the city of Hong Kong on the anniversary of the Chinese military's crushing of the 1989 protests in Beijing at Tiananmen Square, you go to jail.

Three former organisers of Hong Kong's annual vigil in remembrance of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests have lost their bid to overturn their conviction. A judge quashed the appeal saying there was enough evidence to uphold the decision. The trio received a four-and-a-half-month sentence last year.

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[-] Norgur@fedia.io 16 points 9 months ago

Yet, you prance about telling everybody that displaying one memorial against an atrocity is worth less if some other (arbitrarily chosen) atrocity isn't admitted and remembered the same way. That's BS. Just as condemning Belgium here when the exhibition is hosted by the EU.

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[-] RedPandaRaider@feddit.de 20 points 9 months ago

Can we get one for Russia in 1993 during the black october too? Or is that different when tanks roll on people and bombard a building?

[-] BennyHill@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

Well that was after the fall of the ussr and they want to build the narrative that communism is bad

[-] 0x815@feddit.de 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

@BennyHill500, there are no such things as communism or capitalism (or any other systems), there are many different variations of them.

Tiananmen Square Massacre

When the initial presence of the military failed to quell the protests [at Tiananmen Square], the Chinese authorities decided to increase their aggression. At 1 a.m. on June 4, Chinese soldiers and police stormed Tiananmen Square, firing live rounds into the crowd.

Although thousands of protesters simply tried to escape, others fought back, stoning the attacking troops and setting fire to military vehicles. Reporters and Western diplomats in Beijing that day estimated that hundreds to thousands of protesters were killed in the Tiananmen Square Massacre, and as many as 10,000 were arrested.

Emphasis mine.

[-] DdCno1@beehaw.org 7 points 9 months ago

Given the disastrous legacy left behind by the Soviet Union, there is no need to build a narrative. Communism is bad and failed spectacularly at everything it's meant to achieve.

[-] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Taiwan is not a country. Where are my social credits!?

[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

Return your credit and visit my country. We will show what the true Chinese culture is. Since the CCP deleted all that after the civil war.

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[-] stockente@feddit.de 13 points 9 months ago

This place should be filled with monuments of stuff European countries did but yeah, China bad. Belgium, France, Germany, Spain, UK, nothing to see here

[-] ebikefolder@feddit.de 33 points 9 months ago

Germany and Italy are filled with monuments regarding their dark past (have never been to France and Spain and only very briefly to Belgium so I can't judge). I really don't know what you are talking about.

[-] DdCno1@beehaw.org 8 points 9 months ago

It's just the usual clumsy wumao attempt at whataboutism

[-] SevenOfWine@startrek.website 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

With regards to Belgium: the colonial museum has been revamped, schools teach what happened in the Belgian Congo, and no one's going around defending or idealising King Leopold who presided over the worst atrocities. Belgian nationalism barely exists, so that hasn't been a thing in living memory anyway.

Also, what happened in Congo was widely derided even at the time:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casement_Report

[-] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 29 points 9 months ago

The difference is the other countries doesn't try to bury their dark past and lied about it to their own citizens, all while acting like the government is their savior.

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[-] 0x815@feddit.de 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

@Stockente

This place should be filled with monuments of stuff European countries did but yeah, China bad. Belgium, France, Germany, Spain, UK, nothing to see here

This is not true, in these and practically all other European countries there are many monuments - unlike in China which has been rewriting its own history. Read more here, here, here ... you'll find more across the web.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Isn’t Germany filled with monuments to their sins? And not mild ones, like the kind intended to make people stop and think about the people who had everyday lives snuffed out by their neighbors.

[-] iegod@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

wadabout waaaaaaaaaa

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[-] turkishdelight@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

Is there also a pillar of shame for the genocide Belgians did in Congo?. Europeans love moralizing, but never like to think about their own sins.

[-] SevenOfWine@startrek.website 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What happened in Congo is taught in Belgian schools and widely known in Europe. Belgium was widely derided for it even at the time:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casement_Report

Judging by your username, you're Turkish. Are you taught about the Armenian genocide in school?

Or is that one whataboutism too far?

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[-] 0x815@feddit.de 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

@turkishdelight @Stockente

In addition to what @SevenOfWine said, we must note that you can openly discuss Belgian colonial history and atrocities in the public space. You can't discuss the Tiananmen Square massacre publicly in China, though, and the government in Beijing has been trying to hide this and other historical (and contemporary) atrocities committed by China for a long time now. Younger generations who didn't live through the events of 1989, for example, might not know what happened.

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[-] stockente@feddit.de 6 points 9 months ago

This sub is basically european propaganda. It's like watching russian facebook

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