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Megathread for Reddit Blackouts and News - Week 1
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It was really sad to go to my Reddit profile and see how long I've been using it.
To think that for over 13 years, I've been using Reddit daily and for MULTIPLE hours a day. It has probably caused untold amounts of impact on my growth as a person. Its like breaking up with a lifelong partner, what a strange feeling.
dude same. 13 years. Reddit has been a huge part of my life for a long time. I even lurked for a year or so before making an account. It feels like a break up in a weird way, but lets remember we're breaking up because they've become a controlling abusive spouse and we deserve better :)
Now we've entered a polyamorous relationship (multiple Lemmy instances)
Honestly it's all pretty confusing to me I'm getting better and better but I think its gonna take a couple weeks.
Honestly? I fucking love it.
Its SO fast (I have my own instance), and instead of subscribing to subreddits and one server, now I subscribe to communities and multiple instances.
The people are responsive.
Only problem is missing niche communities, and discoverability, but that will improve with time hopefully with something like multi-reddits.
See like I dont even know what you just said lol. I don't know what an instance is or what a server means in this context, and i know what a community is kinda but no idea why they are called something.something//Lemmy.something.biz.kbin haha. and I dont know what multiple instances is.
I've got a lot to learn. But hey I managed to reply to this so im getting somewhere.
Okay, here's how I explained it to my kid.
You've got the united states, that's lemmy.
You've got states, which are instances. Servers are the roads inthem ,and the things that keep the roads working.
Communities are cities.
Kbin is Canada. Mastadon is France, where they do things weird, but they're working on the same basic principles.
The fediverse is the UN.
It ain't exactly right, but it ain't exactly wrong :)
haha that gave me a good laugh :)
This has helped me more than anything else I think lol love it.
Think of lemmy as like an email (except everyone can see it). You have an email address "steakfries" and the domain you registered your email on "@lemmy.one" so if I want to email you I have to enter in @steakfries@lemmy.one
I can "email" you from any domain, be it Gmail, yahoo, my own server, etc and you can likewise respond.
Yeah that's the problem I think, is that the majority of people aren't familiar with how web technologies work and how all the communication happens.
Basic users can just signup on lemmy.ml, or beehaw.org forever and just treat it like their new Reddit home.
I also have my own instance. But it feels so lonely being the only one on a sever haha. That being said, do you know if upvotes and downvotes are also federated? In fact, I'm using jerboa on beehaw and I don't think I see any upvote / downvote metrics
beehaw disabled downvotes, but other instances haven't. the sidebar said disabled downvotes encourages more active discussion, and prevents unpopular opinions from being silenced by a flood of downvotes. they want people to engage by saying "i disagree with you, here's why" instead of passively downvoting and moving on.
you should be able to see you the upvotes on your comments though.
Fairly sure upvotes/downvotes on comments have been federated into my instance. I can't see it on Lemmy's webUI but it appears via the mlem app.
and like why is your name so long. it says @nii236@lemmy.jtmn.dev that just seems ridiculous. why not just nii236
Says you:
I'm chatting to you from https://lemmy.jtmn.dev, and you're chatting to me from https://lemmy.one, on a community on https://beehaw.org.
okay I've learned a bit because I'm pretty sure I understand that now. Like I said it's gonna take a few weeks but I'll get there. I'm pretty determined to leave reddit and have been for a long time just needed a push. I'm already making my way around my new "frontpage" alright. I do like how fast everything is and how comments and upvotes seem to be live.
Yeah on a technical level, all the data is "live" and pushed while you're using the site so it feels instantaneous.
Very clever and forward thinking. Not sure how well it'll scale but that's part of the fun!
I keep having to force myself to use Lemmy instead. I literally just caught myself on Reddit. Ugh
I solved that problem by deleting the app I used for Reddit. I mean, it’s going to stop working in about two weeks anyway, so might as well delete it now.
I made my reddit app not have access to data over wifi or the cell network, so when I open it, it opens and forever is "loading" until I realize my mistake.
I've had the best day. Most I've accomplished in a while IRL. And of corse exploring around this place.
That's awesome!
13 year club here too. It sure seems like a lot of us long timers have been the first to move. I guess there’s a certain sense of ‘I’ve seen where this goes’ from experience with other sites in the past.
Also part of the 10+ year club (long time lurker). You're right about that "familiar sense", but for myself it comes with a forgotten sense of optimism.
Reddit's been on the decline for years before the Vitoria incident or The Great Purge... but as long as I had my niche communities, baconreader, and old.reddit.com - I could "get by"... as Reddit became more and more aggressive in selling "me as the product".
The federated and open source nature of Lemmy will solve the issue of "corporate presence", but it will require us to "roll up our sleeves" - which I find refreshing.
No bots or astroturfing here yet though (or ChatGPT posts), so who knows, maybe Lemmy will spiral faster than expected
It’s really strange how civil and relaxed the discussions have been. Makes me wonder how much of Reddit is either children or bots stirring the pot constantly
I suspect the answer is that there's probably a depressing number of authentic human adults who just are like that, and it creates a feedback loop/spiral where people are pushed into being more aggressive/vitriolic as a defense mechanism.
The real problem, I think, is the ease with which those individuals can hop between communities/be directed toward communities particularly sensitive to their brand of bile on social media sites. I know there's a lot of talk out there about making on-boarding to Fediverse stuff easier, but realistically, being able to layer several barriers along the way (e.g. finding an instance to join, finding an instance to harass without getting either yourself banned or your entire instance defederated) will go a long way toward limiting the influx of bad actors.
Security through obscurity!
Though be careful, too obscure and you'll get the most horrible people hanging around. I discovered this while Bitmessage community...
I wouldn't necessarily call it "security through obscurity" so much as just the nature of a web that isn't all in a few big baskets.
Besides, it's a knife that cuts both ways: the barriers to fluid movement means the worst people are kinda just stuck festering in a handful of places and everyone eventually learns where they are. Like, the big basket-style web has been a boon for fascists and their ilk in large part because there's lower barriers to entry and its possible to build a funnel from normal/mainstream boards to the more radicalized ones through intermediary communities.
But, when everyone knows, for instance, that something like Voat or Stormfront is where all the vitriolic racists are, there's kinda an upper limit to how easily they can lure people in since eventually they've gotta drag you there or else you'll probably slip away from the indoctrination, and that often means tipping their hands just a bit too soon to get past the "wait a moment, these guys are terrible people" filters.
only 12 years for me, but almost a decade of premium ends now
Same here. been on reddit for around 12 years, of nearly constant daily use. it's a weird feeling.
There are dozens of us!
I'm getting my 13yr badge in November. Idk. I don't think I'm deleting my account. I couldn't even muster up the willpower to delete my Twitter account that I've had since 2009, that I've barely used for the last several years.
So to delete my reddit account, that I use everyday -- except at least today and tomorrow; probably first time in several years, maybe even a decade -- feels wrong.
My goal, however, is to reduce my activity on reddit over time. Give up my remaining mod positions. Start unsubscribing from subreddits little by little. Maybe just use it for researching work related thing. So far, Beehaw/Lemmy and Tildes and Mastodon have been holding my attention pretty well. We'll see.
I can relate. I’m a sentimental digital hoarder, I guess. But I’ve beaten my impulses to get on reddit today at least!
This is how I feel, too. I'm leaving my posts and comments up; ironically, I used to habitually purge my profile every year or so because I was worried about IRL people finding me through my activity, but now, I'd prefer to just leave it. Even if I stop being active on Reddit, it's currently one of the best ways to find answers to niche problems; I'd like to keep my stuff accessible for anyone looking for extremely specific answers. I've been fairly private on Reddit, though, so it feels less sentimental and more practical. (Twitter, on the other hand... I never use it, but everything on it is way too sentimental to nuke.)
Yeah, I've learned so much from people on that place.