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Biden introduces Zelenskiy as ‘President Putin’ at Nato summit
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Exactly. Biden is a lost cause electorally, regardless of how good or bad he is, because he has tanked his approval with his own voterbase. Nobody is going to see Biden and then vote for Trump, they would just sit out or vote third party. Biden is just handing the win to Trump.
Every vote not for Biden is effectively half a vote for Trump.
Every vote not for Trump is effectively half a vote for Biden.
If you have voted republican your whole life, yes.
What if they've voted third party their whole life?
Then it's business as usual.
Got it, so then I don't get why you're upset at leftists for correctly dogging on Biden
Because it takes votes away from Biden, which makes a Trump presidency more likely.
We all know Biden is not perfect, spending time pointing it out is not very productive.
We just discussed how it doesn't, if they weren't planning on voting for Biden in the first place. If Biden wants more leftist votes, he can appeal to Leftists instead of Zionists and Neoliberals.
If you weren't planning to vote for Biden in the first place then you are not very leftist. He's the leftmost candidate of the two than are in the race.
Not voting for Biden is a tacit endorsement of Trump. You chose to have turbo-genocide instead of genocide-light.
You don't like that Biden did a publicity stunt building that pier and just brought one day worth of food in two months? Just wait until Trump decides to cover Gaza in rat poison.
You don't like that Biden keeps selling arms to Israel? How about sending a carrier group and bombing those refugee camps directly?
See, that would be true if Biden could be considered anything other than firmly right wing. A vote for Biden doesn't move America to the left, it maintains the right wing status quo. Leftists have had to work outside the electoral process, historically.
Guess the huge portion of people who don't vote each year secretly want Trump.
If they weren't voting for Biden in the first place, and instead for, say, PSL or the Greens, Biden never had their vote in the first place. Secondly, 180,000 Palestinians are dead, if you're comfortable with calling that "genocide-light" then that's sickening. Even if Trump would double weapon shipments or something, we are still in full-blown genocide mode currently.
Trump is evil, yes, but even you have to realize he would still be working with the existing US state department. The President has the power to stop or continue the genocide, yes, but covering Gaza in Rat Poison? That's nit going to happen, especially because Israel is a Settler-Colonial state. They are taking land to live in.
That would be insanely monstrous and cruel, and would likely turn the rest of the International community against America.
A vote for Biden doesn't move America to the left?
Insulin price cap, Medicare protection, student debt forgiveness, weed re-scheduling, etc.
Compare that to defundingthe the EPA, mass deportations, one TRILLION dollars in tax breaks for the rich, etc.
If you don't think 180.000 dead Palestinians is better than 360.000 dead Palestinians, that's a you problem.
And do i need to remind you of fucking Iraq? Guantanamo? Did America ever care about the international community and their opinion?
Nope, we are currently a far-right country under Biden.
Genocide, more aggressive crackdowns on immigrants than even under Trump, the recent anti-trans bill passing through a dem controlled senate, and more. What you listed isn't bad, but when taken in context with the entirety of Biden's platform it's clear he's a Neoliberal ghoul.
Trump being more right wing doesn't mean electing Biden is a move to the left, it means maintaining Biden's right-wing agenda. If Biden gets reelected he isn't going to go to the left, he is going to continue pushing the DNC party line.
Genocide is a non-starter, and unless Biden begins trying to appeal to his base and pull back the genocide, we will see well over 360,000 dead Palestinians under Biden.
Voters tend to care, so being warhawkish and pushing genocide disengages voters.
Again, my point is crystal clear: blaming voters for being disengaged by Biden's warmongering and genocide, rather than blaming Biden and the DNC for maintaining their unpopular positions, is pointless. Focus on what can actually keep Trump from office, ie forcing the DNC to begin appealing more to voters.
It doesn't seem like you actually care if Trump takes office or not. That, or the current level of genocide is acceptable to you.
I am not so certain of that. Granted the numbers would be low, but given how the Electoral College works, the entire election may hinge upon precisely that.
We've been down this road before, in both of the previous elections.
The number is non-zero, sure, but close to it. "Nobody" is just to drive the point, the DNC's best path to victory is to reengage their voterbase with popular policy and firmly standing against genocide. The "fall in line" narrative works for only so many people, and it may not be enough for the DNC to win, so the DNC should focus on voter outreach instead of fearmongering about Trump for a third election cycle in a row.