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This is just reductive. Look at any of the policies from the D's that benefit all of us, women, the poor. Waste your vote and enable fascism. Feel free.
edit: and the gays... and education... and taxes... and infrastructure... and climate... and migration...
Fascism has been here, you just prefer yours covert
If they cared about any of those issues theyve had decades to address them, yet you settle for bread crumbs.
And you would settle for Trump? How is that better? Our system has changed incrementally since its inception. I would vote for a socialist if they existed. The only party which remotely aligns with my ethics is the Democrats. What solution do you offer? Vote third party? Be a passive participant in project 2025 rather than an active voter for the significantly lesser of two evils?
You can take a respectable philosophical stance in a vacuum, but you're not helping anyone in the real world. You're a participant in creating harm, imo.
Edit: The dems have created real policies which help real people. Look as far back as FDR. Look at Obamacare, insulin caps, gay marriage rulings. Then look at bathroom bills, or like, anything R's are pushing lol
Im not settling for anyone, trump is absolute garbage, but while the DNC has you terrified of Trump they are upholding the same views and policies as republicans. Everything they do is to protect capital and most times at our expense.
Lesser evil is a myth liberals tell themselves to justify doing what they know is harm.
Just so you know, everything FDR passed in social and workers rights came from socialist Francis Perkins. And the reason we havent seen anything like it since is because democrats actively fight those efforts. Their role is not to defeat republicans but prevent leftist orgs and movements from gaining power.
Trump has me terrified of Trump, not the DNC.
I think it's far more varied than that. There are some "true" leftists in the Democratic party. I would much prefer ranked choice voting, proportional representation, etc. to represent all views. Moreover, the "lesser evil" is not merely an invention of the DNC -- it's what I view as objective reality. One side really does happen to be worse than the other. Either way we eat a shit sandwich, but one is gourmet shit and comes with the faint hope that one day I will be eating more palatable shit on perhaps higher quality bread.
Thanks for the tidbit on Perkins. Do you have more information on how dems are fighting against socialism actively? From what I can tell, they are frequently trying to package "socialist" policies in way the average red-scare American can swallow (re:obamacare, market controls, regulation, etc.).
At the end of the day, the choice is truly between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. There is zero (0.00%) room for anything else in the year of 2024. Short of a revolution, incremental change is what we are working with, and I will go to the polls to vote blue whether I have a grin or grimace on my face.