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Either candidate is voting for genocide, and they're the only viable options. So your comment is pointless.
No, ya see, the guy whose signature policy was "ban Muslims from entering the USA" is going to be an ally to the Palestinians!
Ahhh duck off, if it comes to it, I'll support 1 genocide over 2,3, or 10, if that's the choice I have. I chose my solution in that trolley problem.
It is kinda dumb we can't trust each other to all just vote third party. I'll shut up because there are a million reasons it won't work and giving it wind is the last thing I want. But this system is so fucked that we either get placeholder or fascist. Yay, American democracy.
Change the voting system
Then
Change the representation system
How are you going to change the voting system when the people who have the power to change the voting system are the ones who benefit from the system as-is?
You start local with referendums and work your way up. That's how Fargo got approval voting, for example.
This is correct. It's entirely sad that we have 100,000 people speculating how to do it and maybe 10 people actually working to get it done. If I could write you a check to quit your day job and work solely on this, I would. Sadly I can't, otherwise I would have cut myself the same check.
The problem is first-past-the-post always leads to strategic voting, which leads to eliminating 3rd parties. And, once you have only 2 viable parties, they benefit immensely from FPTP, so they're unlikely to ever get rid of it.
Unfortunately, game theory was invented in the 1940s, and the USA was invented in the 1770s, so the founding fathers couldn't make use of game theory to work out a good electoral system. Oh, and having to compromise with the slave-holding states and devising an electoral system that gave them power turns out to have had bad effects down the line. Who knew!?
I keep saying it but it is one big Prisoner's Dilemma. The best next steps that can realistically happen are
We vote in grandpa Joe.
All these folks that are single issue Democrats FIGHT AND CHANGE THE SYSTEM. If you are an actual leftist, or just a Democrat, set the field for a fight you can actually win, instead of handing it to trump then fighting uphill with cement shoes. If it is a narrow miss, you have something to point at and go "look how bad we need third party options and a system that enables them!"
(funfact, part 2 can not happen under he other guy) Losing the whole fight because you want everything to be perfect overnight is pathetic. Causes move slow nomatter how much the spastic activist brain wants everything perfect and right now. You also don't bring anyone to your cause by being toxic about it.
Agree. But I don't see anyone disrupting the status quo (let's face it, Bernie is mint but old, AOC is mint but young, I'd get behind Newsom or Whitmer but I feel like they are grand because of my own bias) . I'll take that pest over that cholera in the meantime.
Note that "third party" isn't automatically better, given these third parties. I wager a Green Party minded person would be incensed if libertarians won, for example.
I'll also say that the current crop of third party candidates are impractically minded, so they wouldn't be the sorts of folks I'd want in charge anyway.
However, if they became a viable path to office (ranked choice voting), I bet they'd get better quality candidates running with them instead of compromising and running as D or R.
You're right. If the dems split their vote and Trump wins he will definitely behave in a calm and moral fashion. It's not like Trump is a vindictive and shortsighted tyrant. He's an ethical, scholarly gentleman. He never behaves impulsively or in a cruel and mean spirited way. And if there's one thing Trump is passionate about, it's protecting the weak and downtrodden. He believes in the equality of all nations, and doesn't consider any of them to be shit holes. And he's definitely not recently on record saying that Israel should just go in and "finish the job".
This would only make sense if Trump was less pro-Israel than Biden. He's not. He wants Netanyahu to "finish the job" exterminating Palestinians. I'm sorry neither candidate is great on your single-issue voting mentality, but staying home or voting Trump will literally make life worse for both Palestinians and Ukrainians. (As well as Americans.)
If you vote for anyone other than the Dems in this election, you're as good as voting for Trump, which is voting for genocide and losing your democracy. I fucking hate what's happening in Palestine. I'm also realistic enough to see that you'll lose your country if you don't protect it.
I continue to be astounded by this argument. In what world would trump be less genocidey? Yeah I get it fuck Biden, I don't like it either, yes it would be great if we had better candidates. We don't though, we still need to do more work on that front, it sucks, but for fuck sake don't risk letting trump win. Voting for Biden isn't voting for genocide it's voting against it getting even worse than it already is
Wait… How is the Angry Creamsicle any better than Biden on the Israel issues? Didn’t Baby Fingers Trump move the American Embassy to Jerusalem (and proclaimed it the capital of Israel)?
I’d love to understand why Biden is somehow worse than Dangerous Donald with respect to their views of Israel and Palestine? As a laymen, I only see two sides of the same coin. And frankly, that is not enough motivation for me to allow Adolf Twitler to be president a second time.
He's just a troll, the reddit trash made its way here.
Cause the other option totally isn't...
Voting third party is voting for the other guy, btw. (System sucks but we can't change it overnight and a full shift of the democrat voters is a prisoners dilemma...I'll let you figure out why that is bad)
Its a mistake with no real world upside.
Voting third party is the ultimate virtue signaling.
I understand you THINK that is the case. You do not understand first-past-the-post voting, you don't understand electoral college, you don't understand the mentality of the MAJORITY of out-of-touch voters that don't even know what left and right mean. You lack the information needed to effectively champion your alleged cause and you are so bad at it that you are making enemies of the people that would rather stand with you in changing the system so we DO have third parties and your "solution" isn't just an ignorant person's pipedream.
Who are you recommending instead?
That's a short way of saying you're a dipshit.
What a shit take.
STFU