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This gonna be the first time you have to choose between the lesser of two evils?
Personally, that has been the only way I've ever been able to fucken vote and I'm sick of it.
And yet, I seem to be the only one voting for Spiderman. I liked his policy on stopping the Sinister Six.
The lesser of two evils is exactly how we fucking got her in the first place.
You get a chance to vote for your dream candidate in the primary.
If they're not on the ballot in the general, that's because other voters didn't find your dream candidate so dreamy.
Bullshit.
The primary process is so heavily fucked between superdelegates, and games played by the DNC that it’s pointless to even try.
Or did you forget it was the superdelegates that fucked Bernie in the early primary, as well as all the other games like removing his access to voter roles for a bug that was reported by his staff,
As well as the first few states generally dictate the course of the primary.
You’d have a point if a) every state primaries on the same day, b) superdelegates didn’t exist, and c) the DNC abided by its own rules.
Bernie Sanders got fewer votes than Clinton in 2016 and fewer votes than Biden in 2020. That's why he wasn't the nominee.
Politics ain't beanbag. If you can't get the most votes than you deserve to go home.
Also if they didn't mess with the primary through media contacts, plus the media itself having its own biases due to their corporate owners and neoliberal talk show hosts, plus things like being able to offer favors to certain candidates for dropping out, or using past power like Obama to secure endorsements and stuff. It's super rigged.
Get the most votes. That's the only thing that matters. Everything else is just making excuses.
Sanders didn't get the most votes. I don't care about the excuses.
Sure, by that logic Putin and Kim Jong IL are legitimate Presidents as well. The other candidates should've tried harder.
In the US, unlike Russia and North Korea, you can vote against the incumbent without fearing for your safety.
They know and they love it.
I mean, the greater evil would presumably have gotten us worse. And in a system that is set up so as to inevitably produce two viable parties, and where "good" is not on the ballot from either, what else do you expect people to do?
change it, naturally.
contrary to popular belief, this system only lasts as long as we allow it to last.
"just change the system" is easier said than done, which I suspect you realize of course, since if it were so easy, you'd have changed it yourself already. The difficulty in such change is that it requires a very large number of people to act in unison, which is quite rare, especially when most people aren't literally starving, and have different ideas over what they want the system to be, some of which might be better, but some of which might be as bad or worse. It's a bit like how libertarian types sometimes remark that, if everyone stopped paying taxes, the government would run out of money and be unable to enforce them anymore: technically true, but requires humans to act with uncharacteristic unity towards a singular goal, against pushback from established power. Not to say that it never happens, but it does not seem to happen reliably or in a way that can be readily forced to occur.
Maybe everybody should just vote for me. I'll end our support for Isreal. I'll massively increase our support for Ukraine, and I'll send George Clooney a birthday card every year with a pop-up middle finger, that pops out of a card that says "You're getting older, you smug fuck!"
Also bacon. Just....just bacon.
got my vote with bacon.
Don't pretend this is a normal choice. The whole context has shifted since the debate - Biden is unfit, we are still gonna say hold your nose and vote?