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submitted 5 months ago by Hacksaw@lemmy.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca

I saw a convoy of about 30 cars on the highway back in October. I looked it up and found nothing. Then I see a Reddit post in /r/vexillollogy with the same flag and no useful answers.

It's so weird that people bought like 100 of these flags and there is no info on them at all!

I flipped the picture to make the flag the right way.

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[-] polonius-rex@kbin.run 16 points 5 months ago

crazy that "#saveourchildren" is somehow anti-trans to these people

[-] Kichae@lemmy.ca 21 points 5 months ago

Being trans, gay, understanding of the world, or empathetic is what they're trying to "save the children" from, in that order of priorities.

[-] stankmut@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago
[-] Policeshootout@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 months ago

I think it's to save them from sexual orientation education in schools? Some people think teaching our kids about gender fluidity and acceptance will somehow make them gay.

[-] stankmut@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Yeah that's my point. It seems like the person is saying that it's crazy to believe that the #savethechildren bumper sticker is anti-trans. It's a really common right-wing 'trick'. You make up a phrase implying gay or trans people are after kids and then go "it doesn't say anything about that on the sticker, I guess that says something about trans people if that's where your mind went" when called out on it.

[-] polonius-rex@kbin.run 5 points 5 months ago

cool ur jets buddy you have it backwards

[-] stankmut@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Sorry, I've just seen nearly that exact wording from anti-trans people.

[-] refalo@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago

Genuine naive question, but why is it such an inherent problem being anti-trans if you're not hurting anyone with that belief? Isn't it even more "equal" to accept people's right to have opinions you don't like? I don't think trans people shouldn't exist, but that shouldn't mean I have to like it.

[-] llamapants@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

If you genuinely think trans people aren't being hurt by anyone who carries the anti-trans belief, then I recommend looking up some of the many news articles that details violence against trans people.

I've provided some for you, I genuinely hope that you take the time to read these.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-transgender-and-gender-expansive-community-in-2022

https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights-2024

The last one I posted tracks all of the current anti-LGBT legislation that's trying to pass into law. It's not just physical or emotional violence trans and LGBT people face, it's also people trying to enact laws that actively deny their rights as human beings. This isn't exclusive to America either, I got results from all over the world during my search.

You may not be violent in your beliefs, but it doesn't mean others aren't.

[-] refalo@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That is why I qualified the statement with "if you're not hurting anyone"... of course I am not blind to violence by others.

[-] stankmut@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

That depends on what you mean by not hurting anyone with that belief. You can believe in whatever you want if it honestly doesn't hurt anyone else, but that's not usually how it goes. Just leaving a comment saying you dislike trans people is hurtful. Imagine scrolling through a comment section and seeing random comments where people say they hate that you exist.

How can you reconcile believing they have the right to exist with not liking that they exist? How is that functionally any different?

Isn't it even more "equal" to accept people's right to have opinions you don't like?

See the Paradox of Tolerance.

[-] refalo@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago

Paradox of Tolerance

Yes that's exactly what I was referring to.

They should be tolerant of people that don't agree with them, and vice versa. But that shouldn't IMO mean we have to like it or be banned from a discussion just because of a difference of opinion... but I have been seeing a hair trigger on anyone even remotely disagreeing on this.

[-] polonius-rex@kbin.run 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Genuine naive question, but why is it such an inherent problem being racist if you're not hurting anyone with that belief? Isn't it even more "equal" to accept people's right to have opinions you don't like? I don't think black people shouldn't exist, but that shouldn't mean I have to like it.

[-] bbuez@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

He's got it right, took me a second to parse but in a vacuum "save our children" doesn't have connotations with transgender individuals, but in our nonvacuum it lends plausible deniability as to what the true message is

Edit: and I replied to the wrong comment lol, we're all in agreement regardless

[-] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago

Specifically, it's to save their children (who are absolutely all straight and cis-gendered) from any exposure to others; except to ostracize, harm, and eliminate those others.

Here in Alberta, "Take Back Alberta" is a group of fear-mongering hate-based transphobic assholes who organized the "Save The Children" and other protests, and now are pulling the strings in our government. The leader is a contemptible home-schooled evangelical minister.

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