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Israel Threatens 'Severe Consequences' for Nations Who Recognize Palestine
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Does Israel have much ability to project that far outside its own border? Even ignoring all the countries inbetween that aren't going to help.
It is definitely an unlikely hypothetical due to both sides having allies/etc and yeah, the logistics. It would kind of be like Russia declaring war on something like... Paraguay. The problems with logistics are mostly the same on both sides though, it's just a matter of figuring out how they would fight. From there, and yes, there's a lot to think about to get to that point... but, if they were determined to fight and everyone else was determined not to intervene, Israel has a pretty clear advantage in terms of military might whichever metrics you look at.
The real interesting piece is the Spanish Navy... as in Spain does have a legitimately impressive navy and even though it's a long cruise, they could probably get to Israel with it whereas Israel does have a navy, but to my knowledge, the only area where they really excel there is with submarines. Israel would be completely outmatched in the Mediterranean if they could figure out how to fight in it.
The other side of the Med is not a long cruise for the Spanish Navy.
I guess it is relative, but that should be over 2000 miles, it's hard to call that short. I don't know the exact speeds of the Spanish Navy, but assuming perfect conditions and let's give them 25 knots, that's still going to run you ~4 days at top speed for the big ships.
I can't think of a better method for Spain, but it's a long enough voyage that no one's going to surprise anyone.
Well yeah. Most strategic stuff in war isn't a surprise though.
Oh man, you all are still thinking these guys have a navy at the same level as some of the top 10, none of the countries here are big enough to worry about a real aircraft carrier. Spain kind of has a singular one with a flight deck that can hold a few harriers, but they classify it as an amphibious assault ship or use it for helicopters. It's definitely the big ship to worry about in the fleet and Spain has a pretty significant complement of larger ships, but we're talking frigates, this is not that kind of Navy.
Beyond some big ships from Spain, think mostly patrol boats and a few submarines.
You either misread a little bit or whatever you were reading wasn't planning on getting those harriers off the deck. I'm not sure you could physically fit 36 harriers on the deck even if you didn't have to worry about flying them off/on.
It can hold a few dozen helicopters, but the space required for helicopters is not interchangeable with the space required for harriers. The aircraft numbers you probably saw is assuming you take up the whole flight deck, no space to take off and land at all, and that is assuming the helicopters are small. You can find details pretty easily online, but just do an image search, it will make it pretty obvious that you are not fitting that many harriers on that boat. They'd have to hang them off the sides.
This still is probably the ship to watch out for, but comparing it to a real aircraft carrier is rough. Also, if you count this as an aircraft carrier, there's 11 countries, maybe more depending on how you look at it. Australia has two of these that are the same class but they built and classify them exclusively as helicopter docks and don't have anything else classified as a carrier.