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I'm tired of the inequality
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You are right, but I believe putting a cease to life is not inherently bad. If we could kill animals without letting them feel anything, that wouldn't really be bad.
I mean sure, but the animal agriculture industry is typically inhumane and cruel to animals while they're still alive, because it's more profitable that way. Minimising the suffering they feel when they die is not going to do much really.
Ethical consideration has to extend to more than just painless death to be worth a damn. I can't walk into an infant ward and painlessly murder infants in their sleep for a reason.
Yes, the reason being they are human.
Why is that a reason?
Because most people view it as morally wrong to kill another human.
Or we could you know just not gas and kill pigs.
We both know that's not going to happen. If I want to have bacon, would you rather me quickly and painlessly kill the pig, or use a blunt butter knife to kill them?
I sincerely believe it's going to happen. Furthermore of course when presenting between two horrible choices I would the choose the less horrible option. Fortunately the choice is not between these two it's actually, "Would you rather me quickly and painlessly kill the pig, use a blunt butter knife or not kill them". I think when not forgetting the third option it's clear it's the better one.
All I can say is that you're much more of an optimist than I.
Maybe we should eat you instead of the pig. I'm pretty sure the pig does not want bacon.
Thanks, now I know you're completely clueless about even the most basic things. Pigs will happily eat bacon.
Happily? Lol
Because life is not the most important factor to me. Sentience is.
But let's entertain the idea life was the most important factor. Raising animals to eat them kills way more plant life than just eating plants directly as you need to clear a ton of land and grow a ton of plant just to feed all these animals you're raising. So even if that was the differentiating factor not exploiting other non human animals would be the way to go as you would preserve more life.
Liking something to me is not a solid argument to exploit another sentient being. If I was saying that I liked kicking dogs it would not make it ok to do so for example.
You've clearly asked me why I considered plant life less than animal life which I answered. I then went further and showed that this question was actually irrelevant to the point I was making because even if I were to consider it as equal or more important I should still plants instead of animal products.
There is no difference between the two when not in a survival situation. One is done for taste buds pleasure the other might be done because you enjoy kicking dogs.
Actually I would dare say that kicking a dog is better than killing and eating them.At least I know I'd prefer getting kicked rather than killed and eaten.
I think when going this route it helps to view it with an analogy as it makes it more intuitive to understand why I don't find this an appealing view.
If I were to to adopt this view point, this would mean I would be also ok with breeding humans for any given purpose (let's say Slavery as it's an easy one) as I could justify it saying: "It's better for them as they would have never existed otherwise". However I think intuitively most people would agree that would still not make it ok and that's why I would not consider it ok for animals. Because fundamentally we're still violating - I think - fundamental rights. (e.g. most negative rights like right not to be killed)
P.S.: I have a rights based approach on how we should interact with animals and not a weéfarost one as I think it leads to these kinds of issues where you end up justifying terrible things.
It would depend on the animal and the relationship between their guardian and the animal.
I would not qualify someone having a rescue dog that the dog would be a slave. It's more akin to having a child that you care for. In the same way I would not count a mentally disabled adult living with their parents a slave.
My current view on pets is that we should stop breeding cats and dogs just to keep them as pets especially seeing the horrendous conditions in which they are bred and the crazy things we select for while breeding to make them look cute while disregarding their well being (e.g. genetic disease that pure race cats or dogs have )
I however also understand that some animals are completely domesticated and cannot just be left alone. Taking care of them is fine for me.
Guardianship might be a good solutions for these cases.
If you truly think that rescuing a dog is the same as killing animals for taste and that by doing this you're not the one forcing your morals on other sentient beings I guess it's pointless to continue the discussion.
And if someone did that to you?
They wouldn't be able to think about it because they'd be dead.