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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 83 points 6 months ago

I want a $10000 car that would normally be inflated to $30000 in the US.

I’m no lover of China, but fuck the capitalist auto companies.

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 44 points 6 months ago

That $10k Chinese car cost $20k to make. A competitor undercutting the market that much leads to monopolization. When that competitor is being bankrolled by a foreign government it's potentially even a hostile act.

People have been mad for decades about what Walmart did to retail in the US. Taking steps to prevent that from also happening with the auto industry should be appreciated.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

When they show me their manufacturing costs, I’ll believe that.

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 15 points 6 months ago

You're going to be waiting a long time to get reliable numbers out of the CCP.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

I mean the other car companies who overcharge.

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 months ago

They won't because part of it is slave labor.

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

[citation needed]

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago
[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 months ago

Sure dumbass. Way to discount all the labor wins the UAW has fought for recently.

[-] Aphelion@lemm.ee 16 points 6 months ago

Say that again but to a UAW union boss.

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

it's ~~potentially even~~ a hostile act.

[-] Novi@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 months ago

I was born into a car centric society. So much so they design the places we live around them. Including dense residential far away from employment that requires transportation. Chop all attempts at decent public transit and now you have created a market of completely artificial demand. Which the law says cars must become more expensive. I have to have a car because of the awful design choices made by unqualified politicians past. Fuck the auto industry. They could have been out saviors by being the example of what union companies do but instead chose violence.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 15 points 6 months ago

Ah yes, great way to fuck over our capitalists, by supporting their worse capitalists instead

[-] Lavitz@lemmings.world 21 points 6 months ago

I mean if we're being capitalists, that's how the free market works, right?

[-] Buttons@programming.dev 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

US auto makers were like "we love the free market", then people bought cheaper cars from China and they said "wait, not that free!"

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Certified "you criticize capitalism yet you live in it" moment

[-] Lavitz@lemmings.world 10 points 6 months ago

No ethical way to spend in a capitalist society. It kind of is what it is, cause I gotta eat. Also certified "you criticize capitalism yet you live in it moment" to you sir.

[-] nymwit@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

are all unethical choices equal? Surely there are better and worse things?

[-] Lavitz@lemmings.world 2 points 6 months ago

No but unethical is unethical so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

[-] nymwit@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Where I was going was: effects can be different even if all choices and results are unethical. If one cares about the possible impacts of ones actions, consideration beyond "well it's all unethical, so whatever" could be warranted.

[-] Lavitz@lemmings.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You tell yourself whatever you need to to live in this society and be happy. I'm sure the extra $.80 you're spending for the label that says cruelty free, is in fact cruelty free.

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

"our capitalists"? what does that even mean ?

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

My guess that the prior comment either reflects an assumption that non western capitalists are somehow better than western capitalists or that China's capitalists aren't a capitalist class.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

Maybe I want “our capitalists” to change.

[-] AtariDump@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

All Carsalesmen Are Bastards.

Defund the dealerships.

[-] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 months ago

It's not the capitalist auto companies who are going to get hurt though. The price advantage of the Chinese companies comes from low labor costs and government subsidies, so the auto companies will just move there production to whatever country offers the most subsidies and least labor costs because in our current globalized world capital can move freely.

The real losers will be the unionized auto workers who'll be abandoned while capitalists maintain or even increase there profits in the third world. These sorts of race to the bottom always harm workers, whether it be with clothes and shein , or EVs.

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