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US to impose tariffs on Chinese EVs next week
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I'm usually against tariffs but in this case it seems like a pretty fair tit for tat to China basically removing the budgetary concerns for their manufacturers that said manufacturer's international counterparts won't have.
Subsidizing local production for local markets is fine enough, but exporting products made with an infinite money glitch active is more or less an intentional play at market capture.
And before some sinoboo tries to gatcha me I do also object to examples where the west subsidizes domestic production for international markets.
I want a $10000 car that would normally be inflated to $30000 in the US.
I’m no lover of China, but fuck the capitalist auto companies.
That $10k Chinese car cost $20k to make. A competitor undercutting the market that much leads to monopolization. When that competitor is being bankrolled by a foreign government it's potentially even a hostile act.
People have been mad for decades about what Walmart did to retail in the US. Taking steps to prevent that from also happening with the auto industry should be appreciated.
When they show me their manufacturing costs, I’ll believe that.
You're going to be waiting a long time to get reliable numbers out of the CCP.
I mean the other car companies who overcharge.
They won't because part of it is slave labor.
[citation needed]
That’s all car companies.
Sure dumbass. Way to discount all the labor wins the UAW has fought for recently.
I was born into a car centric society. So much so they design the places we live around them. Including dense residential far away from employment that requires transportation. Chop all attempts at decent public transit and now you have created a market of completely artificial demand. Which the law says cars must become more expensive. I have to have a car because of the awful design choices made by unqualified politicians past. Fuck the auto industry. They could have been out saviors by being the example of what union companies do but instead chose violence.
Ah yes, great way to fuck over our capitalists, by supporting their worse capitalists instead
I mean if we're being capitalists, that's how the free market works, right?
US auto makers were like "we love the free market", then people bought cheaper cars from China and they said "wait, not that free!"
Certified "you criticize capitalism yet you live in it" moment
No ethical way to spend in a capitalist society. It kind of is what it is, cause I gotta eat. Also certified "you criticize capitalism yet you live in it moment" to you sir.
are all unethical choices equal? Surely there are better and worse things?
No but unethical is unethical so I'm not sure where you're going with this.
Where I was going was: effects can be different even if all choices and results are unethical. If one cares about the possible impacts of ones actions, consideration beyond "well it's all unethical, so whatever" could be warranted.
You tell yourself whatever you need to to live in this society and be happy. I'm sure the extra $.80 you're spending for the label that says cruelty free, is in fact cruelty free.
"our capitalists"? what does that even mean ?
My guess that the prior comment either reflects an assumption that non western capitalists are somehow better than western capitalists or that China's capitalists aren't a capitalist class.
Maybe I want “our capitalists” to change.
All Carsalesmen Are Bastards.
Defund the dealerships.
It's not the capitalist auto companies who are going to get hurt though. The price advantage of the Chinese companies comes from low labor costs and government subsidies, so the auto companies will just move there production to whatever country offers the most subsidies and least labor costs because in our current globalized world capital can move freely.
The real losers will be the unionized auto workers who'll be abandoned while capitalists maintain or even increase there profits in the third world. These sorts of race to the bottom always harm workers, whether it be with clothes and shein , or EVs.
I prefer the circular solution. Make a tariff equal to the delta, and use the tariff to subsidize local production and reduce the delta.
Now this I can get behind. We should fight back by subsidization of production as heavily as China is theirs.
I'm against it but I understand it. Every successful country in the last 500 years has subsidized their foreign facing corporations.
How moral of you to object to the US government doing the same thing.
Can I have a means of transportation I can fucking afford now?