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[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Unifying and making real change means coming together and voting against the fascist that's going to make everything worse.

Feeling righteous about not doing the one thing that can actually help is immature and stupid.

[-] venusaur@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ad hominem. I don’t participate in fear based politics or hate based discussion. Try again.

[-] doubletwist@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

If you're not either participating in politics by voting, running for office or campaigning; or actively attempting to overthrow the government, then you are accepting whatever government we have and whatever government gets voted in.

There's nothing morally wrong in voting for the less-bad of available. options now, while still working toward changes that give us better choices in the future. If nothing else, if you really cared about how this country and world runs, you would at least be voting for whoever you think will give you even a SLIGHTLY better chance of allowing or enabling the change you want to see.

The absolute least useful thing you could possibly do is throw up your hands and give up and not participate. As a matter of fact, that's exactly what extremes on both ends of the political spectrum want you to do. The fewer people who participate, the easier it is for them to get away with all the money and power.

[-] venusaur@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It’s the opposite. They need your participation to keep the machine churning. The more you care about red vs blue the more money they make and the longer the system prospers with little real change. Another 4 years of Trump is what the Democratic Party needs to get off their asses (no pun intended) and actually give us somebody who’s gonna make real changes.

It’s all business, you’re the consumer and our lives are the currency. If you’re not buying what they’re selling, they’re gonna need to give you what you want.

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 4 points 2 years ago

So close but still framing it as "Blue needs to save us so we need to punish them with Red", which is still red vs blue thinking

[-] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

In the future scenario you are referring to Trump being elected is not a punishment but a consequence of an indirect action. You incorrectly assume I’m trying to punish Democrats. I don’t care what they do, they’re just not getting my vote until they’re doing what I want them to do. It’s just business to them and should be treated as such. They don’t truly care about you.

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 2 years ago

You call it consequence, I call it punishment. What's the difference here?

[-] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Well then it’s an indirect punishment, but I’m not doing it to directly punish them. You just see it as a punishment.

[-] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

They need your participation to keep the machine churning.

You are 100% incorrect about this. The system will continue regardless of your participation. Sitting on the sidelines and pouting about the rules being bad does nothing but make you look like a child.

[-] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don’t need to explain to you how change happens, but it’s not only continuing to play their games. Ever heard of a boycott?…

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The Democrats aren't making any real change though. They just patch things up for the next Republican to ratchet us further to the right. If we want change we're going to need to change the democratic party first.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

And that happens by voting in local elections

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Sure. Let me know when Biden is running for my local congressional seat so I can not vote for him there too.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You really are missing the point. Local elections reach up into higher elections. Vote for more liberal mayors, more liberal DAs, more liberal Congresspeople, and more liberal senators. The more liberal they move, the more liberal the overall party becomes.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I'm really not. You're just assuming things.

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