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"Race" has no biological definition. Star Wars fans can be a race if you want them to.
Typically when people are saying Jews are a race, they referring to the idea that Jews are not White, as in they cannot be White. Jews can be White, but they can also be Black, Native American or Hispanic. Jews are not in a racial category that excludes them from being part of these groups. That's what I was referring to when I wrote race.
That's not really the main point, I was agreeing with the person I responding to and adding some clarification. It seemed to have distracted from the issue at hand.
Killing people isn't how we stop the spread of fascism in the modern day. We need to spread information, for example, that fascism is a self-destructive ideology that will destroy hundreds of millions of lives and that the Republican Party is controlled by fascists. I think most people know that on lemmy, but there are plenty of people who will check into politics in the months leading up to the election and form their opinions then. A misconception I see on lemmy is that some people assume we can defeat fascism with guns alone. That isn't going to cut it. We have to reach more people with true information before fascists reach them with misinformation. Once a person forms an opinion they are unlikely to discard that opinion when presented with new information in the short term. That short term can easily last until the election, so these months leading up to the election are crucial. edit: capitalization
Race is a well documented biological fact actually. It's not subject to political interpretation.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3737365/
By Alan Templeton.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Templeton
Do you think maybe you're misunderstanding him?
It think it's debatable about how you define Races, but it's also quite obvious that biological races exist. There are specific differences in the physical biology that separate the races, and common traits among them that identify them as part of the group. Skin color, hair type, bone structure, genetic predisposition to certain diseases, etc. Physical traits are passed from the parents to the children, and when the parents are of different races we get blending of the characteristics and so on. Some Native Americans even have different kinds of teeth than European-Caucasian descended folks do.
Basically it's not something you can choose or change, it's an immutable biological set of characteristics. I don't know what "race" the Jews in Israel are exactly but I suspect it depends a lot on the region their ancestors are from. Many of them might even be the same "race" as Palestinians.
What's the race here, African or Melanesian? And if it's the same race, why are they so separated geographically?
I don't know, just some mixture of African and Mongolian would be my guess. It would be more appropriate to ask the people in that picture IMO.
You'd be 100% wrong there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanesians
Maybe you're wrong on race as well.
So what? I said I don't know already. Do you want to keep on all day about this?
Go ahead and just believe whatever you want about all this, you will do that regardless of what I say.
Likewise there's nothing you can say that would change the facts of reality that I've already stated.
You said physical traits determined race. You couldn't determine race from physical traits.
You want to reduce everything into simple concepts just to argue about them. Reality is not that simple, and that's clearly not all that I said about the subject. There's no need to make up your own version of "what I said" when what I actually said is still there in plain text to read in the past comments.
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I'm not making anything up:
So do physical traits determine race or not?
But you never stated facts or reality.
You're trying to argue that races exist as something other than social constructs.
Different Races for humans have no genetic or biological basis. Period.
Blonde is not a race. Brown eyed is not a race. Brown skin is not a race. And on and on
No, and you fundamentally misunderstand biology, genetics, and race.
In essence, per Robert Saplosky, race is a cultural construct, not a genetic or biological one. He has his entire Stanford lecture on human behavior including human genetics on YouTube. He also has several books explaining this. Here's a link to a summary video: https://youtu.be/YVT5iIXdjek?si=jXKvfd3fUEdQcjMx
Just because you can reactively type people into races, doesn't make race a real biological phenomenon. There are plenty of races that look like others, plenty of admixture that ruins your theories. Sickle cell anemia can exist in white people (people who appear to look white) who have black ancestry, but you wouldn't know they have either sickle cell or black ancestry from looking at them. Because race ISNT genetics. There are people within the same family who are different races, one who is lighter and one who is darker, etc. And melanin production is only one small component of the cultural cues we see as someone's race.
Again, it's not biological and no real scientist would think that.
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From your source:
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You seem to have linked something that argues and shows the opposite of what you intended there, bud.
Did you miss the whole section with the tree of races, showing the genetic differences in them? Maybe you didn't make it all the way through?
I think you might have just skimmed it. Throughout the paper the authors include examples of "race trees" which they argue have no places in scientific literature because they do not apply to humans.
I have an idea. Why don't you quote the section that proves your point. If I can't rebut you by copying and pasting context from the same paper, you win. Deal?
I have another idea, which is that I've said all that I care to say about it already and reject your attempts to continue arguing.
You can just carry on believing whatever it is that you want to believe, as that's what you'd do regardless of whatever I said anyway.
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Lmfao, you mean you lost this argument thoroughly and you're too much of a baby to admit you were wrong.
Whatever, you can believe that if it makes you feel good. I'm good either way.
Edit: oops, I blocked that guy so this comment looked like it was in reply to me, sorry! 😅
Why not pretend breeds of horses don't exist while you're at it?
Breeds are used to refer to domestic animals where artificial selection was used to exemplify specific traits.
Are you saying that the traits of different "races" were artificially selected for? Who was doing the selecting?
Your definition of breed is poor and self serving
But please, do tell me the real definition.
(Note that it says there's no scientific definition of breed either.)
Hey genius, what you posted contradicts what you are saying.
I'm not sure how you think it contradicts what I'm saying, but I'm waiting for your scientific definition of breed, please.
It's really obvious if you read it.
I did read it. It says there's no scientific definition. You said there is. So what is it?
Read the rest
If it has no scientific definition, it has no scientific definition. The fact that you can't provide one is good evidence. The fact that the thing you are telling me to read says so is much better evidence.
You apparently can't read.
What part of this did I not read?
Apparently the whole thing. Either that or you don't know what it means. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7925393/ you should tell these guys what they study and track don't exist.
Still waiting for that scientific definition of breed. That link doesn't have it and the thing you've told me to read more than once literally says it is a term of art, not scientific.
You're gonna be waiting a long time unless you start comprehending what you're shown. Like seriously, are you really this oblivious or just playing?
Let's pretend I'm this oblivious. That way you can give me the scientific definition of 'breed.'
Let's pretend you're not missing the fucking point entirely, and sickle cell anemia isn't only a problem for one race.
You were talking about breed, not race. You claimed breed was a scientific term. Please give the scientific definition.
Did I? Where? Seems to me I said they exist.
Me: “Race” has no biological definition. Star Wars fans can be a race if you want them to.
You: Why not pretend breeds of horses don’t exist while you’re at it?
https://lemmy.world/comment/9511019
So if you didn't mean that breed had a scientific definition, why bring it up when discussing race's scientific definition?
They track heritable disease frequency by race, which obviously exists scientifically being that. you act like 23 and me doesn't exist. "race doesn't exist" vs "DNA says this was a (whatver race)"
That's not an answer.
I will paste what I wrote again. Please either answer my question or give the scientific definition of breed:
Your race is insufferable pedantic moron.