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Live updates: Iran’s retaliatory attack on Israel has begun
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Thanks, Israel for dragging world into a war just because your genocide.
No, I'm gonna thank the people who attacked an Iranian embassy. Fucking zionists and genocide apologists really love to jump at the chance to blame Hamas for everything, especially Israel's own fuckups, huh.
Ok, sure Hamas attacked, kidnapped and killed civilians, with 1200+ killed and another 5000+ injured.
Israel retaliated by killing 13,000+ kids and 8,000+ women, with 33,000+ killed since then.
I'd say that's a disproportionate response.
Remember, those numbers are from around 3-4 weeks ago. There isn't any mechanism for continuing the count, which is why the number hasn't changed as starvation kicks in.
We would have those numbers if Israel didn't shoot at the aid agencies responsible for measuring and countering food insecurity.
You're forgetting something. 30% of those numbers from October 7th are Israeli military. And yeah it was bad that they killed so many civilians. But this number gets thrown around like they were on an unopposed rampage. Then there's the fact that Israelis near Palestinian borders tend to be well armed and a picture of an actual fight begins to emerge.
Most of the Israelis who live near Gaza are peace activists and environmental activists who live there to help build peaceful relations with Palestine.
Yeah I just don't buy that. There's obviously some but the overwhelming narrative of border communities in Israeli newspapers seems to have been a fear of exactly this happening.
That's not what proportional warfare means.
It has nothing to do with the numbers being proportional on two sides. It's whether the military response is proportional to the military goal. The military goal in this case is the defeat of an embedded terrorist organization and return of hostages.
By that definition Israel is failing to meet its military goal. Killing SO MANY innocent civilians would be considered a military failure by any other western county.
Unless the goal is collective punishment and not proportional warfare.
Yup, a total failure. They're currently at -2. They've rescued no hostages and killed two "by accident". The only time Israel got hostages was when the military was put on a leash during a ceasefire and they traded some of their own Palestinian hostages.
I doubt it.
Western countries understand that ninety percent of war-time casualties are civilians.
Is your argument that the UN considered 90% civilian casualties as a successful mission?
"Let me just gaslight you with my definition"
So you're perfectly fine with the ongoing civilian death toll?
The people that told you that are mentally insane, so you know. I know it feels good to have a rationalisation and that they seem reasonable. but they are emotionally immature men that have traumas preventing them from growing up correctly and now they are in a psychosis.
No, nothing about any one killing anyone is about a military target goal. It's not justified to do these things. Just like it was and is not justified by the terrorists to do them. Stop being a fool really that thinks this is normal to do, to slay an entire people. What the fuck man.
You are not upset with me, you are upset with the definition of a word.
Obviously we all want a peaceful world, but when you have a group like Hamas that believe their god wants them to kill anyone who is not their form of extremist religion, how can you end violence without eliminating them? Israel tried for decades to avoid this type if direct conflict. That avoidance cost them and led to the deadliest day in all Israeli history.
Huh? No.
There are literal international laws, and people who spend their entire life around the science of proportional military action. It's so much more than a word you can define.
It is after a genocide people wonder what the fuck happened. But a few wonders right the fuck now what the fuck is happening.
Military petsonell over the world work with you know real horrible game theory politics considerations that are mentally insane and some of these military spheres has completely lost their shit and are currently spiraling into the TELLTALE TEXTBOOK definition of the cycle where they become destructive and the world suffers from the consequences for years.
It is repeating history. I don't hate a word, I hate that you defend it with no objective partials
Ah... mod team here has allowed a hasbara into the mix - that explains a lot.
This is a war. What makes you think war is supposed to be proportionate?
How many American civilians were killed at Pearl Harbor? There were 68.
How many Japanese civilians were subsequently killed by Americans? About 500,000.
Americans weren't obligated to stop when Japanese civilian casualties outnumbered American civilian casualties. They were only obligated to stop when Japan surrendered.
The Geneva Suggestions.
Who's supposed to surrender? Theres no government, it's not a war, it's a massacre.
Yes, war crimes are good actually. More war crimes please! /s
Hamas did not bomb an embassy on foreign soil. Hamas has not been committing war crimes for the last 6 months.
Hamas has been launching missiles at apartments in Israel, for years.
Okay, well Israel glassed half the strip and killed 33,000 people. They went past self defense or even basic revenge about 32,000 people ago. Any other half-assed attempt to justify a genocide?
Biden has been on Netanyahu's ass since the beginning but Israel keeps digging the hole deeper. Israel will discover, too late, that they doomed themselves - Biden tried and tried to tell them. Netanyahu, Putin and Trump are all cut from the same cloth. They are all losers waiting for the curtain to close on them.
Biden kisses Bibi's ass you mean. Biden could have stopped this at any time by withholding weapons and money.
And Iran is sending dozens of drones and missiles because 16 Iranians were killed.
Nobody is interested in limiting themselves to self defense.
On an embassy. And Iran's targeting non civilian infrastructure. Which Israel hadn't had the decency to do. Man, wherever you live has an education system that failed you completely.
So? Human lives in embassies are not more precious than whoever Iran is trying to kill right now.
Have whoever is reading the words on your computer to you google why that's not acceptable.
I hope they will be able to get every israeli army bastard and while leadership. I know they unfortunately won't, due to all high-tech defense systems given to Israel by the US. israel is just a nazi state.
Do you think the IDF wasn't murdering Palestinians before Oct 2023?
Moron. Hamas commit war crimes as a matter of course. How can you be so intellectually dishonest in your arguments?!
Why, did I disturb your echo chamber?
No, just confirmed you're antisemitic.
Fuck Hamas. But fuck Israel also. They're not crazy idiotic islam nuts. They simply used what those islamist fuckers did to start genocide of innocent people. Fuck Netanyahu, fuck whole state if Israel. They got down to nazi level.
Israel are crazy idiotic religious nuts.
Hamas bombed Iranian embassy?