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[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

You're not a "raging leftist" if you vote for Biden. At least vote PSL or Green

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

This post is about you, you idiot.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Your vote for Dems is what endangers the vulnerable like those in poverty. You consent to wealth and income inequality with your vote, and can only blame yourself for not improving your country.

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 21 points 10 months ago

What do you think happens if I do that?

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Actual progress towards changing the Democratic party instead of consenting to it's right wing policies that are enabled by your vote.

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I did that in 2016 and it didn’t progress shit. It made it worse like it will if we do that this year. I organized and pushed leftists in primaries and I was beaten by "moderates." Specifically, nobody had a chance against the incumbent. It fucking sucks but I don’t want a declared fascist putting more assholes on judicial benches or pushing anti-trans, anti-women policies.

I’m with you on both parties sucking. But please, grow up. If you want to help, do it before the nominees are set. And don’t drag others into your misguided principles.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I did that in 2016 and it didn’t progress shit.

Did your lazy ass do anything else?

If you want to help, do it before the nominees are set.

Jill Stein is a good candidate in a historically weak election for the ruling class.

I've gotten dozens of people to vote Green in my state, what have you done?

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

"There are dozens of us." lol

wtf have I done? I already said. Organized and gotten people elected to school boards, city council, and our mayor too. We primaried for state and federal elections but didn’t get our candidates. We didn’t pout and waste our votes on people who had no chance of getting elected. We sucked it the fuck up and tried to make sure Republicans didn’t get elected.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I don't believe you at all. Any person informed enough to do what you said knows voting for Democrats only makes out situation worse by consenting to neoliberal capitalism. None of the hundreds of people affiliated with the Green party I've met have said that, so you're lying.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 10 months ago

voting for Democrats only makes out situation worse

Tell me you're not a pregnant woman who needs obstetric care of any kind or a capitol policeman or trans or Hispanic or a person who's trying to get sick days from their union or a Ukrainian

by consenting to neoliberal capitalism

Yes, everyone knows that simply not consenting to the system suddenly makes it go away. Just ask anyone who's ever been on a traffic stop -- you just have to tell the policeman you do not consent, and all of a sudden, everything changes, and it works out better that you didn't go along with the system.

If only the civil rights movement had been privy to this knowledge, they could have done their decades of work to make the system better much more simply and easily

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Well, that’s just a bad argument.

Good day, sir.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Fake lefty trying to scrounge up votes for your capitalist daddy Dems

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I've been looking through your comments and have confirmed you are a fake. Where can I see any evidence of your "efforts" to help the Green party?

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Project 2025, stupid. Letting Trump win means no progressive wins again in this country. Anti progress.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Letting ~~Trump~~ Biden win means no progressive wins again in this country.

Imagine thinking you're defending democracy by voting for someone you don't want. LOL

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Wow, you can type the opposite thing that someone said and pretend that you have a point. How incredibly stupid of you.

What exactly is Biden's plan to avoid letting a progressive win in the country ever again? Because Trump is the one with Project 2025.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Imagine thinking you’re defending democracy by voting for someone you don’t want. LOL

I, on the other hand, express democracy by voting for a candidate that I support, Jill Stein.

What exactly is Biden’s plan to avoid letting a progressive win in the country ever again?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/dnc-war-third-party-candidates-rcna143290

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

But Jill Stein is not going to win, even if you vote for her. Voting for her works against your interests.

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[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

You're not a "raging leftist" if you vote for Biden. At least ~~vote PSL or Green~~ use a brutal domestic terrorism campaign as leverage to blackmail politicians into overturning first-past-the-post as part of a multi-prong strategy that, even as extreme as you are, still includes a pragmatic hedge in the form of a vote for the lesser of two evils

Of course nobody should be terrorizing anyone. What I’m riffing off of is a perspective someone shared that basically you don’t protest with a vote for a loser, you protest by agitating for systemic change.

In the meantime while the broken system is in place, you feed it a minimally shitty input.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

use a brutal domestic terrorism campaign

The fuck? Just vote for third parties where did you get that bullshit from?

In the meantime while the broken system is in place, you feed it a minimally shitty input.

You consent to this system with a vote for Dems.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Reasonable people can definitely disagree on this.

One thing that may be interesting to think about: some percentage of the time an argument is made disingenuously to try to siphon off votes. An entirely genuine recommendation of an identical strategy is fair – as I said reasonable people can disagree – but perhaps calls for some introspection.

It’s too bad when your strategy mirrors that of your worst enemy! So the far leftist could perhaps instead chain himself to legislators’ doors (vehement objection to the system) while consenting to acknowledge reality with a disgusted harm reduction vote for the marginally less-bad elderly man.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Do you think being incredibly stupid is a prereq for being a raging leftist or something?

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