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[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 91 points 8 months ago

As far as I know, the Oval Office doesn't have start/stop genocide button, or control inflation lever for that matter.

If it's not going to be Biden, then it will be someone else. Either a Republican or a Democrat.

Even someone who earlier looked promising, eg Fetterman is a staunch Israel supporter.

Because the problem is systematic. You can't just uproot the US-Israel nexus that's deeply entrenched in the US politics.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 72 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

the Oval Office doesn't have start/stop genocide button

True, but it DOES have the option to stop supplying bombs that they know for a fact are being used to commit that genocide.

Your "either they can push a magic button or they're doing all they can" dichotomy isn't clever. It shows that you're being either disingenuous, willfully ignorant or just extremely obtuse.

Because the problem is systematic

Yes, Israel is systematically wiping out the population of Gaza and the Biden White House is using the levers of the system to help them do it. That's not an argument for not telling them to stop.

You can't just uproot the US-Israel nexus that's deeply entrenched in the US politics

You can, in fact. It worked with Apartheid South Africa, which the US also kept supporting way beyond the point that most other countries stopped, and it'll work with THIS apartheid regime too.

[-] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 67 points 8 months ago

It has a stop paying for genocide button.

It has a stop vetoing UN resolutions button.

It has an impose sanctions button and a freeze assets button.

It has a pull their warships out button.

It has dozens of make life really uncomfortable for Israel if it doesn't fucking stop committing genocide buttons.

But at the very least it could stop actively helping them commit genocide.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

And what does that do?

Gives ammo to GOP and their allies to target Biden and attract fence-sitters and unaware.

These things don't happen in a vacuum.

Biden isn't rubbing his hands with glee and laughing maniacally.

Do you honestly think these options weren't considered over the last six months?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

And what does that do?

Gives ammo to GOP and their allies to target Biden and attract fence-sitters and unaware.

On the contrary. The majority of the population doesn't approve of supporting genocide, especially Democrats and prospective Dem voters further left.

The status quo of supporting the genocide isn't winning over anyone who would vote Republican if they stopped. It's alienating millions of crucial voters who won't vote at all if they DON'T stop.

We can easily agree that not voting is a bad idea that is likely to contribute to the risk of mango Mussolini winning.

Given that, we should be able to also agree that it's a bad idea to knowingly keep doing something morally and ethically reprehensible that is causing people to do just that.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

And what does that do?

Makes it harder for Netanyahu to continue committing genocide.

Gives ammo to GOP and their allies to target Biden and attract fence-sitters and unaware.

We shouldn't keep supporting genocide just because you're scared of what the GOP might do. That's a shitty reason for anything, and it's disgusting cowardice in this context.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Gives ammo to GOP and their allies to target Biden and attract fence-sitters and unaware.

Should we also not support healthcare, trans rights, women's rights, work reform , tax reform, climate change laws and all the other things they get angry at? The road to fascism is paved with political convenience.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 8 months ago

I'm worried that'll be their next strategy considering their pivot strong right on immigration

[-] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 months ago

“Oh, I’m so sorry, I’d love to stop the genocide, but think of the optics! It would be soooooooo optically bad if we stopped the genocide! It could make the fence sitters vote for trump! We all know the fence sitters love genocide!”

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 15 points 8 months ago

They did use the stop vetoing resolutions button. Not much but it's not nothing.

Sending their warships would mean Israel would try calling their bluff and force USA to commit an act of war to stop them, which would cause absolutely chaos in the region. They probably should start with sanctions though.

Biden's biggest problem here is he's so focused on backrooms negotiations, that he's not using some of the options that could increase public pressure, and all other people see is old treaties continuing with very slow changes and seeing the continued actions of the other party who doesn't really want to negotiate.

[-] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

I mean withdraw their ships already in the area, replace that layer of defense with, oh I dunno, thoughts and prayers maybe.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

They also claimed that the resolution is non-binding, which is contrary to stated international law.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

As far as I know, the Oval Office doesn’t have start/stop genocide button

I didn't say "stop genocide". I said "stop supporting genocide."

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 11 points 8 months ago

As far as I know, the Oval Office doesn’t have start/stop genocide button, or control inflation lever for that matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war

They indeed have the stop button but it's not the one they are pressing.

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