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This is mental illness by now! Seriously wtf? Why is this so important for her that she can't stop talking about it? If I had some irrational hate for trans woman, I would not go on about it in public all the time.
Don't we have more important problems then to bash people that are so unhappy with their body that they are willing to take hormones and let people operate on their genitals?
This is such a simple thought, everybody should be able to think it, right? But on the other hand, she is not the only one hating transgender women or men. I mean it is not right to hate people for that. But if I would hate trans people then I would just not invite them for dinner and would stop talking about them all the time.
It must be some form of mental illness I have no other explanation.
Hitler's problem with Jews seemed to be was what should be done about them destroying the German economy.
I'm not saying I agree with his views, but it seems all nuance has been lost from public debate.
Believe it or not, "Godwin's Law" doesn't mean "no one should ever mention Hitler during a discussion."
https://gizmodo.com/godwin-of-godwins-law-by-all-means-compare-these-shi-1797807646
Also, Rowling is a holocaust denier. https://www.salon.com/2024/03/15/jk-rowling-trans-nazis-holocaust-denial/
Should Hitler not be brought up when people defend a holocaust denier?
Not a reduction at all. The beginning of the Holocaust was when the Nazis destroyed the Institute for Sexual Research and burned all the books. I used Jews as an example rather than that because people were making the same "he's keeping Germany safe" argument about Hitler persecuting the Jews that the person above is making about "they're keeping women safe." And I would not be at all surprised if they made the "they're keeping women safe" argument about persecuting trans people then too.
It is encouraging genocide while defending someone who denied the Holocaust.
Why you think that is a reduction, I don't know. It seems like a pretty close 1:1 comparison with Germany in 1933 to me.
Hitler didn't start the death camps the second he came to power. You know that, right?
I was comparing the excuse of her bigotry to the same excuses given to Nazis and it led to horrors. Horrors that are happening again and which she is fomenting.
I compared her to the Nazi ideology she supports and her supporters to the appeasers that excused the Nazis in the 1930s.
I will not apologize for calling a Nazi a Nazi. If you think you have to subscribe to every single thing the Nazis believed in to be called a Nazi, you're wrong.
Is she Hitler? No, because she's not a world leader. Would she do the same things he did to trans people, especially women, if she were? Of that I have little doubt.
Think like a Nazi, I'm going to call you a Nazi. Excuse a Nazi and I'm going to point it out.
She subscribes to Nazi ideology. Specifically the classifying of trans people as sub humans and demonizing them as a danger to public safety.
It quacks like a duck. You seem to think Nazi = killing people. It doesn't. She supports a genocide. That's all it takes.
Again, Hitler didn't open the camps on day one to anyone but political opponents.
This seems more about you liking Rowling and not wanting to admit what she's doing.
Once again, a transgender genocide is going on right now. She is supporting it. If you deny that genocide is happening, or worse, claiming she has a point like the person I responded to, you're supporting Nazi ideology too.
Maybe the issue is that you agree with her that trans people are a danger to society?
Ah, so you deny there's a transgender genocide going on right now despite my showing you very clearly that it is, in fact, happening right now.
Guess I know why you're also denying that a Nazi is a Nazi.
You would have saved a lot of time if you had just started this by telling me that you agree with Rowling.
Yes, I know you are denying a very real genocide. You've already made that clear.
Here is a lot more information about it for you and your fellow travelers, which is what you are, and the Nazis you support to claim isn't happening:
https://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-the-genocidal-nature-of-the-gender-critical-movement%E2%80%99s-ideology-and-practice
https://theintercept.com/2023/05/04/texas-republicans-anti-trans/
https://huntnewsnu.com/71052/city-pulse/hundreds-protest-trans-genocide-in-transgender-day-of-resistance-march/
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/muhammad-cartoon-controversy-transgender-genocide-and-tobogganing-bans-1.2906924/the-quiet-genocide-against-the-transgender-community-1.2906927
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/is-the-conservative-daily-wire-really-calling-for-trans-genocide/
https://thefordhamram.com/90672/opinion/state-sponsored-trans-violence-is-genocide/
I can keep going, but I doubt you'll read more than a sentence or two of one single link, if that.
But please do continue to explain how it isn't hyperbolic to compare genocide denail to the Nazis.
Cool. I never said disagreeing with someone makes them Hitler, so that's not even remotely relevant.
I said denying this genocide, especially in the face of the overwhelming evidence I just provided you, makes you a fellow traveler who aids Nazis.
Sorry, if you don't want to be told you're helping out Nazis, don't be a genocide denier. And if you don't want to be called a genocide denier, don't deny a genocide is happening when you're very, very, very clearly shown that it is and even refusing to review the evidence you've been given.
That makes you a fellow traveler of Nazis. It's not my fault that you're a genocide denier, it's yours.
I do love that someone who denies a genocide is happening in the face of a mass of evidence they clearly are refusing to review is telling me to get a grip on reality though. My grip on reality is based on evidence. Yours is apparently based on misunderstanding what Godwin's Law means. Although I think it's an intentional misunderstanding to avoid admitting you're a fellow traveler.
Nope, I literally called you a fellow traveler and a Nazi supporter. Because you're supporting Nazis.
And it's odd that you're talking about credibility when you continue to refuse to review a lot of information about an ongoing genocide so that you can continue to claim it isn't happening.
Ah, so now genocide is a moral panic. Those horrible trans people!
Trans women are women. This is not complicated.
If you are interested in a (in my opinion) nuanced look at it I would like to point you towards the YouTube Channel Contrapoints Video on the matter, in case you haven't seen it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDKbT_l2us&t=455
She claims that that is her problem, but her solution isn’t “let’s make sure that we harshly prosecute those who abuse the goodwill of other’s trusting in your own self identification to invade and attack women”, is “all trans women are really perverts trying to invade women spaces to attack women”
So, really, her problem seems to be with trans people existing at all…
I have another one.
After enough time has passed since the initial conflict, it becomes less about the subject of the conflict and more about the conflict in itself. The reason becomes secondary and instead the goal becomes winning against the other side or at least making it hurt.
Yes I think you are right. And I think this is borderline a mental illness if you can't stop lashing out. As I understand it, she somehow thinks by bashing trans women she is doing something good for women. Trans women are somehow taking away her womanhood or something like that. I have read something like this several times from Rowling but I have no clue how trans woman could do that. But Rowling is obsessed with that, for what ever reason.
Following this train of thought, what I gathered from other comments is that she had a bad experience with a man in the past, her targeted social media experience likely concentrated the bad news in that direction and her view is now that the trans movement is just evil men looking to invade women's personal spaces in order to abuse them.
If you look at her as someone bombarded with Fox News type of content, then perhaps that kind of paranoia and fear is what makes her so vocal in her opposition.
Yeah. And it’s important to understand that the pipeline she followed does a swap. Once she became convinced trans women were the problem she began associating with men who are misogynists and support the harm to cis women that she fears. By the time she’s standing with Matt Walsh and funding groups that also oppose abortion access protecting cis women is no longer her primary concern, it may be what she thinks is her primary concern but if so she believes that trans women are a larger threat than those who oppose the right to choose to stop being pregnant or men who want to relegate cis women back to traditional gender roles.
Repressed self hatred.
The whole projecting thing that people like this do.
Nah its the female equivalent of white knight syndrome. They think they're saving womanhood from impostors.
Why not both, M'lud?
Even when I was a homophobic theist shithead I knew better than to say anything.
Operative word in your post is "irrational." If she were being rational, she would probably shut up about it. She's not either, unfortunately.