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A couple of weeks back there was an article making the rounds of the fediverse about how people with reasonably decent incomes were nevertheless living "paycheck to paycheck", and a number of examples were given in the article with their individual stories of woe about how they were baffled by how burdened with debt they were. Most of those stories, when you dug in with just a slightly critical eye instead of an automatic assumption of victimhood, revealed people making foolish choices to take on debt and support the maximally lavish lifestyle that they could manage.
The comment section was weird. It turned out that there were some people there who thought this was perfectly reasonable, giving examples of "necessary expenditures" from their own lives that were just as excessive when examined. If you think that building a deck or buying a new bed simply because it's "time for a new one" are necessary expenditures then it's kind of hard to be sympathetic when you complain about how you have no money for long-term savings.
Is there just some basic personality type that finds it hard to be responsible with money, or is this a failure of education somehow? I have ideas for how to help but help will be unwelcome by people who refuse to recognize that they have a problem.
Depends. There are probably people who say that after a few years, and others use it for 10-15 before making that exclamation. In which case the choice for a new bed is (depending on your choice) no longer a luxury expense but a maintenance one.
I think a few things come together to bring us here:
Edit: what I said was incorrect.
I commented there, and while I do lean towards the idea that personal finance literacy is an issue, I don't think that it's purely a matter of self-control. I don't think this is necessarily a "Bob knows that he should spend N and save X but instead spends N+X" situation. I think that some of it is that people do not really have a great idea of what they should be doing in terms of personal finance. Like, what is a reasonable amount to be spending? How much should I be spending on housing? How much should be going towards retirement? How much of an emergency buffer should I have? What should I do with money that I save?
I think the answer is in your first sentence, personal finance literacy. At least in my case reading about it, learning the basics (six months expenses emergency fund, pay credit cards in full every month, invest in ETFs..) and understand other people's strategies is all it took. Hate to say it but I owe reddit one for all that knowledge.
Ah the person that complains they had to tap into their investments because you need to periodically get a new bed and redo your deck and can't save money. Yes I got downvoted for providing basic personal finance recommendations there!
I think the problem is a combination of the things you mention, and the fact that society is just normalising stupid spending, waste of resources and spending everything you earn, if not more.
When on reddit, I was active on personal finance subs. The amount of people asking for suggestions on how to improve their budget that didn't see anything wrong with 10-12 subscriptions for shows and music, on top of astronomic phone bills, eating out etc was crazy. At least they took the first step, wrote down their expenses, and were asking for help. The bed/deck guy was just pure madness.
Yes. Absolutely there is, the personality thing. It's undiagnosed learning disabilities, ADHD or just a straight up person who would have been a well regarded hunter a different century.
i guess dyscalcula kinda makes sense at an angle, but how do undiagnosed dyslexia and dysgraphia affect your financial literacy?
Yes, I believe there is. Why? Idk, anecdotical evidence.