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"Men are bad at picking up on women's hints." What are your actual thoughts on this sentiment? (lemmy.world)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by FatTony@lemmy.world to c/casualconversation@lemmy.world

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Either through memes or comments I keep seeing this sentiment pop-up from time to time. And I'm wondering what your (yes, you) consensus is on it.

I for one am too pessimistic to do anything with potential hints. Like even if there is a good chance I still just don't want to risk it.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 115 points 7 months ago

If you get a “hint” wrong you could end up having a meeting with HR, being told to “fuck off, creep”, or some other negative result. So men might see what could be a hint, but the price of getting it wrong is too high for many reasons. So you either stop looking for them or just stop acting on anything that isn’t direct.

It’s also kinda the woman placing the responsibility and the work on the guy for making the “real” moves in an encounter or relationship. He needs to pursue her and pay attention, not the other way around.

[-] Thisiswhatyoucallme@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

I would also add there is an element of the expected pursuit of the woman after she has said no. Like, no means try harder. I think it's a good thing that a guy (or whoever) backs off once someone says they aren't interested. You shouldn't expect the guy you like to push past the first rejection then call the guy you don't like a creep for ignoring your no.

[-] Delphia@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Like there isnt decades of movies that hinge on this whole premise too.

Especially in a workplace. If you decide to actually ask out a coworker No doesnt just mean no, no means "be very careful about what you say and how you act towards them for the immediate future in case they take something you say or do as a further advance and decide to report you to HR. Or decide that you are now treating them poorly because they rejected you and decide to report you to HR."

Just to be clear, these arent the ONLY outcomes and yes are extreme but I have seen both happen first hand.

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 20 points 7 months ago

Regardless of any other fallout, I’d rather be someone women feel comfortable around, not someone they think “oh jeez, I have to be sure not to give any indication he might read as flirting.”