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R(ul)evenge USA edition (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by zbyte64 to c/196

The discourse on American politics sometimes devolves to "Leftists who won't vote" & "MAGA Republicans" teaming up to "getting revenge on liberals".

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[-] LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Nope, it's actually a vote for a third party. Vote for Biden is a vote for Trump. See how dumb that sounds?

[-] BluJay320 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

A third party has literally no chance of winning. By voting for a third party or abstaining from voting, you are taking a vote away from Biden and thereby aiding Trump.

If you’re too ignorant to understand that, then I can’t help you

The fact that you’d rather let Trump win to stick it to Biden than try to prevent literal fascists from taking over our nation says a lot about you as a person.

[-] core 8 points 8 months ago

you are taking a vote away from Biden

it's my vote to give and it's biden's vote to earn. it's not like he doesn't know what cornel west voters want. he just doesn't care to earn that vote.

[-] BluJay320 3 points 8 months ago

So you’d rather let Trump win, got it.

[-] core 7 points 8 months ago

no. you're putting words in my mouth.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

You both have valid and correct feelings on the matter, and that is the tragedy.

Cornel West earned your vote, Biden didn't. However, if Cornel earns enough votes, both liberals and leftists are going to have to look at the prospect of having to take our antifascism off screen.

You have the luxary of voting third party, but do queer people? Do people fighting for women's healthcare? Even people fighting for Palestinian liberation have to ensure Biden wins.

I think that is something Cornel West and his followers should at least be talking amongst themselves about.

[-] core 6 points 8 months ago

You have the luxary of voting third party, but do queer people

you don't know my identity.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

I think if you are queer you should look at the US map and honestly ask yourself where is safest for you in a fully fascist government?

The i-5 corridor. Except a thrown ballot against liberals is going to put Dace Reichert into office in Washington.

If queer people lose Washington or Oregon as a safe haven where liberals are using the courts to ouah gay rights forward nationally, that's the fault solely of privileged leftists, in my book.

But you are also right, Biden didn't earn your vote. No liberal ever will. But sometimes, the only option is to let them have it. It sucks, I know. I am sorry, but the liberal coalition is the only safe path forward for the left movement at this moment.

[-] core 6 points 8 months ago

I think if you are queer you should look at the US map and honestly ask yourself where is safest for you in a fully fascist government?

i'm not leaving my home. and america is already fascist.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

If the republicans are who they say they are, and they get power over your jurisdiction, yeah, you likely will. Not in 2025, maybe not in 2028 even, but how long will it be?

Maybe the first time you are shoved into an alleyway by an "athletic club" and your head shoved against the concrete, only to find that the district attorney decides there isn't enough evidence to serve you justice, yeah, you will be planning your exit.

You will not be going Rambo, you will be finding safe haven.

[-] core 6 points 8 months ago

i have friends. i'm not scared. you aren't going to threaten and bully me into doing something immoral.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago
[-] ChrisLicht@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago

Funny how libs rarely have to compromise their core values to vote for Dem candidates, while your party leadership aggressively prevents the left from gaining any purchase in the party organizational structure, but you have the gall to demand our votes while showing zero sensitivity for the left’s moral concerns about Dem projects like the ongoing extirpation of Palestinians in Gaza—not to mention the left’s very reasonable observation that concessionary voting for neolibs since Carter has created a ratcheting of American politics to the far right.

I don’t believe Trump will break America, because the Democratic Party clearly doesn’t. No party that believed that so much was on the line would prevent a competitive primary and support a VP candidate with the lowest approval rating in history, who has no constituency behind her, when the top of the ticket is 81 years old.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

...okay, but your argument falls apart due to the fact that I'm not a liberal.

[-] ChrisLicht@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

If you’ve bought the lib line on voting this cycle, that’s great for you. But, you should stop shaming principled leftists like PP for not buying it.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

If people don't like their privilege checked, they shouldn't post in leftist spaces.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Actions speak louder then words.

"We are who we pretend to be, so we should be careful who we pretend to be."

If the only real political input we have is used to support the leading liberal candidate, then it's reasonable to identify them as a 'Liberal Voter' regardless of who or what they claim to the contrary.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

This whole wing of the leftist movement that accuses everybody of being a secret liberal is really stupid and I don't feel like wasting my time engaging with somebody choosing to take the dialog to that level.

[-] core 5 points 8 months ago

hat’s the fault solely of privileged leftists

when do politicians bear the responsibility of their own actions?

[-] core 3 points 8 months ago

Even people fighting for Palestinian liberation have to ensure Biden wins

no. we have to ensure the safety of the palestinian peopl and their liberation regardless of what happens november 2

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago

When trump wins with your help, what are you going to be doing to help Palestinian people?

It will be too late, won't it?

[-] core 2 points 8 months ago

what are you going to be doing to help Palestinian people?

same thing i do now. agitate, educate, organize.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago

What specifically does any of that mean?

[-] core 1 points 8 months ago

i don't talk about my personal organizing here. go find an org and help out.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

Are you accusing me of being uncharitable towards others because I asked you to clarify what you meant?

Uhm, OK.

[-] core 2 points 8 months ago

Are you accusing me of being uncharitable towards others

no. i'm telling you that's the best way to find out what i do.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

How can I find out what you do if you refuse to tell me what organization I should go to?

[-] core 1 points 8 months ago

you will have better luck blindly joining leftist orgs than asking me for more details here.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

Can you please just do 1 response to 1 statement? This comment chain is going to grow exponentially if I respond to each thing that could have really just been 1 message to prevent repeating.

[-] core 1 points 8 months ago

i don't like walls of text. if you don't want to talk to me, please don't

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago
[-] BluJay320 1 points 8 months ago

Great, and what are you going to say to all of the LGBT folk who get legislated out of existence because of your failure to protect them?

[-] core 2 points 8 months ago

I do what I can to protect vulnerable people. I don't believe voting accomplishes that.

[-] BluJay320 1 points 8 months ago

Voting third party is no vote at all. Therefore you are refusing to combat Trump, and so are complicit in his victory if it happens.

You are just as much to blame as the Reps if he wins.

[-] core 2 points 8 months ago

any vote that is not for trump is a vote against trump

[-] BluJay320 1 points 8 months ago

False. If you do not vote Biden, you are throwing away a vote against Trump. Voting third party is no vote at all.

[-] core 1 points 8 months ago

this is election misinformation. my vote must be counted just like everyone else.

[-] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago
[-] core 2 points 8 months ago

You are just as much to blame as the Reps if he wins.

no. everyone is only responsible for their own actions. I'll be voting against trump

[-] BluJay320 1 points 8 months ago

Then vote Biden, or you’re not voting at all. Third party means nothing.

[-] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago
[-] core 1 points 8 months ago

this is election misinformation. my vote must be counted like anybody else.

[-] core 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

i won't be helping trump win. i'll be voting against him.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

The only way in the US system to throw a protest vote without it being a spoiler vote is to vote for the 3rd party which siphons votes from the candidate you want the least.

So since you prefer Biden over Trump, you should be voting for the libertarian candidate instead of West.

[-] core 2 points 8 months ago

without it being a spoiler vote is to vote for the 3rd party which siphons votes

this is a lie. the votes don't belong to biden. they belong to me. if i give it to someone, it's not taking it from anyone else.

[-] core 2 points 8 months ago

So since you prefer Biden over Trump, you should be voting for the libertarian candidate instead of West.

this makes no sense. i am going to vote for the candidate i want to win.

[-] core 1 points 8 months ago

only way in the US system to throw a protest vote

voting isn't a protest, so this term makes no sense.

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