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R(ul)evenge USA edition
(lemmy.blahaj.zone)
The discourse on American politics sometimes devolves to "Leftists who won't vote" & "MAGA Republicans" teaming up to "getting revenge on liberals".
Nope, it's actually a vote for a third party. Vote for Biden is a vote for Trump. See how dumb that sounds?
A third party has literally no chance of winning. By voting for a third party or abstaining from voting, you are taking a vote away from Biden and thereby aiding Trump.
If you’re too ignorant to understand that, then I can’t help you
The fact that you’d rather let Trump win to stick it to Biden than try to prevent literal fascists from taking over our nation says a lot about you as a person.
it's my vote to give and it's biden's vote to earn. it's not like he doesn't know what cornel west voters want. he just doesn't care to earn that vote.
So you’d rather let Trump win, got it.
no. you're putting words in my mouth.
You both have valid and correct feelings on the matter, and that is the tragedy.
Cornel West earned your vote, Biden didn't. However, if Cornel earns enough votes, both liberals and leftists are going to have to look at the prospect of having to take our antifascism off screen.
You have the luxary of voting third party, but do queer people? Do people fighting for women's healthcare? Even people fighting for Palestinian liberation have to ensure Biden wins.
I think that is something Cornel West and his followers should at least be talking amongst themselves about.
you don't know my identity.
I think if you are queer you should look at the US map and honestly ask yourself where is safest for you in a fully fascist government?
The i-5 corridor. Except a thrown ballot against liberals is going to put Dace Reichert into office in Washington.
If queer people lose Washington or Oregon as a safe haven where liberals are using the courts to ouah gay rights forward nationally, that's the fault solely of privileged leftists, in my book.
But you are also right, Biden didn't earn your vote. No liberal ever will. But sometimes, the only option is to let them have it. It sucks, I know. I am sorry, but the liberal coalition is the only safe path forward for the left movement at this moment.
i'm not leaving my home. and america is already fascist.
when do politicians bear the responsibility of their own actions?
no. we have to ensure the safety of the palestinian peopl and their liberation regardless of what happens november 2
When trump wins with your help, what are you going to be doing to help Palestinian people?
It will be too late, won't it?
same thing i do now. agitate, educate, organize.
What specifically does any of that mean?
i won't be helping trump win. i'll be voting against him.
this is election misinformation
It’s really not
it is. a vote for any person must be counted for that person. they cannot count my vote for cornel west as a vote for biden.
Your vote for West means nothing when there is zero chance they’ll win. You are throwing away a vote that could have been used to combat Trump.
By voting for third party, you may as well not be voting at all. And in both cases, you are saying you don’t care who wins. Which means you don’t care if Trump wins. Which means you are complicit in Trump’s victory if it is to happen.
So I will blame all of you just as much as the Reps if that comes to pass, and the blood will be on your hands as well.
more election misinformation
no.. by voting I'm saying who I want to win.
if the situation is as dire as you say, and the Democrats put up Biden as a candidate knowing that I won't vote for him, and you don't stop the Democrats from putting up Biden, your complicit in Trump's victory.
you can see how that makes just as much sense, right, and how it's just as wrong?
voting for West is voting against trump
West isn’t going to win, so you’re simply taking a vote away from Biden. Which is helping Trump.
it's not biden's vote, it's mine, and Biden needs to earn it if he wants it.
so do I get to hold you accountable for what's happening right now in Palestine? did you vote for Biden in 2020, you genocide enabling piece of...
I live in California, junior.
Dumbass
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