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submitted 8 months ago by Stopthatgirl7@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

The most famous forms of Holocaust denial and revisionism tend to focus on Jews, casting doubt, for example, on how many were exterminated in the camps. But denying the impact the Nazis had on the other groups they targeted, including queer and trans people, disabled people and Romani people, is still Holocaust denial. Maybe someone should tell J.K. Rowling.

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[-] moitoi@feddit.de 34 points 8 months ago

She is transphobic, ableist, handiphobic, etc.

The saddest is that we will always find a fan boy taking her defense. Seriously, stop! She is garbage.

[-] Lath@kbin.earth 8 points 8 months ago

Hello there, fellow internet person! Harry Potter fan boy here. I just sort of did. Doubt I'll stop any time soon. And while she might be, I don't know her well enough to confirm your opinion on her.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

You know what they say about people who sit at tables with Nazis without protest.

[-] fustigation769curtain@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You should be careful lying about who is a Nazi.

The more you do it, the less power that word has.

Similar to antisemetic.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

You should be careful lying about who isn't a Nazi.

The more you do it, the less power that word has.

Similar to antisemetic.

[-] fustigation769curtain@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Yeah. This is why rational people don't take you seriously.

You're addicted to arguing in bad faith because you get so much support for it on these forums.

You need to step out into the real world to get some real perspectives.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago
[-] Sidyctism@feddit.de 3 points 8 months ago

Err umm sooo rAtIoNaL

[-] scorpious@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

addicted to arguing in bad faith because you get so much support for it on these forums.

Fucking BINGO.

In these types of posts, Lemmy reads exactly like a Fox News comment thread.

What a drag. The “Lookit me I am 14 and a totes badass” cult infesting Lemmy has just about killed it for me. I just hope things change and more adults show up.

[-] Lath@kbin.earth 3 points 8 months ago

I actually don't. Is it something specific to Nazism or to authoritarian governments in general?

[-] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago

If being transphobic and racist isn't enough, read more. In particular, after reading Earthsea series by Ursula K. LeGuin, it's clear that the main ideas of the Harry Potter series (an elite wizarding school and a wreckless magic student meddling in death and how that threatens the whole world) is not Rowling's own original idea. I'm sorry for putting down an author you like if it means you won't give LeGuin a try, because I really do think you will like her stuff.

[-] Lath@kbin.earth 5 points 8 months ago

I have no doubt that Rowling's story isn't original. There are many authors better than her, yet less popular. The Harry Potter story is a love-hate thing for most of its fans and its success is a matter opportunity i'd guess.
But it is part of childhood for many and that alone makes it important enough to keep the better parts of it close to heart.

I'll probably get to read Earthsea eventually, I just need to find the time to invest in it properly.

[-] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 11 points 8 months ago

Given the enthusiasm with which you've been spreading your own bigotry and lies around the rest of this thread, I don't believe you and I regret responding to your comment. I don't think you'll appreciate LeGuin. I'd rather you stay a vocal Rowling fan, you seem to be very representative of that willfully ignorant and hateful lot.

[-] Lath@kbin.earth 3 points 8 months ago

So bigotry and lies is now "don't focus on hatred"? Ok.

The following text is hyperbole to make a point and should be treated as such.

...

Let's say you're right. Let's hate on Rowling. Let's burn her books. Let's take her wealth and property. Let's send her to a special place for bigots, separate from the proper society. Let's do the same for the rest like her. I mean, who needs bigots in this society? They're poison. We'll be doing the world a favour...

The Nazis grew in power with a similar message about a certain kind of people. But yes, it's not Nazism. It's not the same. You're not really letting your hatred fester until it's all that is left. You can stop before that. You CAN stop. Because you're different. You're special. You're how the world should be. And anyone who thinks differently is beneath you.

...

Why are we here? Why is this topic important? Why is Lemmy important? Some people say it's a safe space, for those who believe the same things can agree with and encourage each other.
That's good and well for nice and positive ideas of growth and cooperation.
But when you start echoing anger, disgust, hatred and all other kinds of negative emotions, they get reinforced just as well as the positive side of things.

Look at this topic. Hate on Rowling. Hate on bigots. Hate on everything bad. And look at the number of up votes.

Is this really the type of safe space and reinforcement you want? If so, then I'm sorry, but that hyperbole above is the unavoidable path all those before you have fallen into.

Balance in all things is the path I try to walk, the good and the bad. Though I fail and stumble once in a while, I try to remember that no one is inherently good or bad. We simply are, each with faults of our own.

What path do you walk?

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 2 points 8 months ago

See Le Guin --> upvote,

Simple as

[-] fustigation769curtain@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Stand up for what you believe in.

Don't let these people put you in the closet.

[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 7 points 8 months ago

No, people who support bigots should go into a closet.

[-] fustigation769curtain@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

And let me guess, a "bigot" is someone who doesn't see you the way you want to be seen?

[-] Lath@kbin.earth 3 points 8 months ago

The thing about Lemmy is that it's like jumping from closet to closet, with everyone thinking they're the ones outside. And I don't feel like the exception.
It's an active process to take a moment and consider that maybe the walls we surround ourselves with aren't really that healthy.

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