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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by hertg@infosec.pub to c/technology@beehaw.org

From housing, to media, to printers, to everything else. Get ready to own nothing; pay rent on everything.

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[-] tesseract@beehaw.org 43 points 2 years ago

One of the main factors contributing to this problem is how customers simply give up their rights for convenience. Pro-customer options don't disappear. They die a slow painful death.

Take the example of DRM in books. All the easy options like from Amazon are DRM encumbered. But the DRM-free options are still available if you are willing to search a bit. They don't cost much extra either. But people don't care. And direct sellers providing DRM-free books wither away in neglect. Similar examples are still around for reparable devices, DRM-free multimedia, etc.

Consumers rights are not a given. Like any rights, those are the ones you have to defend. You have to put at least a little bit of effort to protect it. When I suggested this recently, I was accused of 'victim-blaming'. What escape is there when the victims are not ready to fight back?

[-] gigachad@feddit.de 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What you say is true and I can understand it is frustrating. But I really don't know how to convince people. Convenience is king and you need to have strong political opinions to abstain. I am a nerd, but still I often need double the time to find the "alternative" way of owning things.

I recently wanted to get the Harry Potter audio books for listening on my phone. I basically had two "official" options:

  1. Buying all E-books as mp3 download for 235€
  2. Amazon Audible for 10€ per Month

You can clearly see that in reality, the industry gives you only one option - audible. For 235€ you can have 2 years of e-book subscriptions.

Maybe you would say "hey, 235€ may seem expensive but in exchange you will get to own the stuff you pay for!". The thing is: you can get the whole audiobook collection on mp3-CD for just 70€ on Amazon?

In the end I bough an external CD-ROM drive and bought the mp3-CD box used for 40€.

It's not about that stupid Audiobook or whether the price is justified. The point I want to make is that the industry makes is so hard for individuals to own things, that I almost see this as a lost battle. The way I chose, took almost 2 weeks, days of research, a frustrated lemmy post, two online orders and 2 hours time to copy the mp3s.

And the thing is, it's the same for everything else - you want to buy a vacuum cleaner? Oh better look if it comes with special cleaner bags for 30€ per bag. Let's not talk about printers.

Every little item needs so much research, only for the aspects of planned obsolescence and true ownership. We do not even talk about social or environmental aspects...

How the fuck should I expect others to spend so much time on energy on consumption things? Honestly, sometimes I am a bit envious of the people that just do not care. But only sometimes.

Sorry, that somehow developed into a rant

[-] flappy@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

A VPN subscription is 5€ / month, and qbittorrent is free.

[-] gigachad@feddit.de 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm not sure if that is a sustainable model for the whole society. Pirating as a solution for everything feels like giving up to me. Also I can't pirate my vacuum cleaner.

[-] Domiku@beehaw.org 9 points 2 years ago

I feel like the "pirate everything" mindset focuses on shitty corporations but ignores that paying for media also helps the creators pay their rent.

I think there's a big difference between the things you pirate. If you're pirating some very old books written by people that died a century ago, I don't think it's all that bad. If you're pirating text books made by companies that will intentionally jumble the chapters and paragraphs around just so you can't buy them second hand, piracy should be encouraged. If you're pirating from a small independent author, I think piracy is only acceptable in very few situations.

I've pirated copies or books I bought because I couldn't strip the DRM. I think that's completely fair. Sure, I helped spread the torrent to a few other people in the process, but I just wanted to open the thing I bought on Linux without running a bunch of shady tools.

[-] Domiku@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

I can agree with this. Or pirating old games that aren't available through GOG, Steam, etc. Like if I want to play Battletoads, I don't have many options…

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 years ago

Also I can't pirate my vacuum cleaner.

Yet

[-] hertg@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago

I mostly agree with your comment. And you are absolutely not 'victim-blaming'. I think some might mistake your stance with a 'vote with your wallet' sentiment, but I interpret your comment about 'fighting back' as more than that.

Obviously, it is better to seek out the better options as a consumer, but that is not enough. People are not stupid for not seeking out alternatives, when the game is rigged against them in the first place. Fighting back also means trying to unrig the game. How one is supposed to achieve that is a question that I don't have a satisfying answer for. I for myself, started by educating myself, by becoming more vocal about the defects of the status quo, and by advocating for change. It's not a lot, but it can reach into your circle of friends. I attempted to reach a bit further with this blog post, even though it might just reach people that don't need any convincing.

In the spirit of trying to make a difference, what are some of the DRM-free options? Let's point people directly to better alternatives :)

I know of libro.fm for audiobooks.

[-] LaggyKar@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

All the easy options like from Amazon are DRM encumbered. But the DRM-free options are still available if you are willing to search a bit.

Are they? Where (other than piracy)? A lot of books seems to be sold exclusively with DRM from what I can tell. Some are even exclusive to Amazon.

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