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Biden Threatens ‘Come to Jesus Moment’ for Netanyahu on Hot Mic
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You can't defend Biden's support for genocide, so you have to accuse people who oppose genocide of being Trumpists.
Of course, you could just say that Biden should stop supporting genocide, but I doubt that you want him to.
You could also stop pretending Joe Biden is a supporter of genocide, but you won't.
If you truly believe a genocide is happening to the Palestinian people, bullying democrats out of voting for Biden does nothing to help the Palestinian people.
If you want to support the Palestinian people than you should engage in the democratic process and get the democrats to force Israel into a cease fire and lay the groundwork for two states.
Oh wait, that's what's happening already.
If Biden stops supporting genocide, I'll stop saying it.
It's a good thing I'm not doing that. I'm saying that Biden needs to stop supporting genocide.
He hasn't stopped selling them weapons. He's still running interference for them at the UN. That's support.
The US has treaties with Israel that to the best of my knowledge Biden can't just unilaterally end without repurcussion.
The opposition (Trump) has called for Israel to finish the job.
So if you want to character ize the guy with the stance of a 2 state solution as being the genocidal option, go ahead, but it's just so ridiculously naive.
None of those treaties require him to circumvent congress to sell weapons for genocide. None of them require him to run interference for Netanyahu at the UN.
And as always, if anyone is in any way critical of Biden's support for genocide, it's because they must be a Trumpist.
Both of them support genocide. I want Biden to stop. I doubt you do.
What does a 2 state solution mean? It means the Palestinian people weren't genocided.
Do you not get that? Because if you don't, this situation is clearly more complex than you ever begun to realize.
In this context, about as much as anything else Biden says he supports and doesn't back up with actions.
I get what Biden's stated position is. His actions say the opposite.
Which specific actions?
Aiding an ally in time of war as per the treaties while working towards a ceasefire and two state solution?
Not only do you guys want Biden to be a war time president, but you specifically want him to wage war against Israel, and then you guys get offended when its pointed that the only people in the world this would benefit is Russia and Qatar/Iran.
Biden is selling Netanyahu weapons that he knows will be used for genocide.
Biden's administration is propping up Netanyahu at the UN.
Those specific actions.
No treaty requires Biden to circumvent congress to sell Netanyahu weapons for genocide. No treaty requires Biden to run interference for Netanyahu at the UN. Biden's words regarding ceasefire and a 2 state solution are only words.
You're just making up ridiculous shit now.
So, what do you guys want then? Long term, he stops selling to Israel, what next?
Qatar and Iran decide now that Israel has been cut off from the US, they decide to come calling on their promises to destroy Israel.
Do you support Israel then? Do you support Biden selling weapons again?
Does Hamas go back to attacking Israel? What exactly are your long term goals here?
Israel can easily take care of themselves without the US being an accessory to Netanyahu's genocide.
Are you by chance a one state solutionist, with that state being Palestine, or a two state solutionist?
I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask, since you're going to ignore whatever I say and make up some wild shit as my position instead. Again.
I favor a two state solution in which both Israel and Palestine are recognized by the UN.
Now that you have asked your leading question, you're going to pretend that the only way to get to a two state solution is to continue US support for Netanyahu's genocide.
I am not a Netanyahu supporter. I in fact support another dissolution of the current coalition government on day one of the end of the war. I am open to him and his cabinet being investigated and tried, just as I think should have happened to Bush and Cheney.
But at the end of the day Hamas started a war and took hostages into the city of Gaza so that Gaza itself would be the battle scenes.
They refuse to hand over the hostages, nor take the fighting outside the city. Qatar and Egypt's support of the war is stipulated on fighting not extending into their borders.
I also support a two state solution, but it requires the full dismantling of the Hamas government, tribunals, a temporary government administered by a neutral third party (good luck talking the Swiss into getting involved here), etc.
This situation is bad, but claims that the US is engaging in genocide are patently false and might as well be official Qatari/Yemen/Iranian propaganda, it has that large a lack of depth of understanding the geopolitical situation actually happening.
The US is not engaging in genocide.
Biden has made us accessory to it, though.
And you're here to drum up support for it.
Pretending that people who disagree with you are pro-genocide is so inflammatory that it leads me to believe good faith discussion was never on the table for you.
How many times did I have to repeat exactly how Biden was supporting Netanyahu's genocide?
How many times did you completely ignore it and pretend I hadn't said anything?
How many times did you LIE and pretend that Biden was bound by treaty to sell weapons to Netanyahu and prop him up at the UN?
Don't you dare lecture me about bad faith.
Joe Bide directly supports Israel. Israel is openly committing genocide. If you think Joe is NOT supporting genocide, you are literally so stupid as to fail to observe ONE DEGREE of separation. You are too stupid for this discussion, full stop.
This is the issue pointed out right here.
All you people full stop claiming genocide aren't doing anything for the Palestinian people, you are just bullying people you suspect are Joe Biden supporters and telling them to exit the discussion.
I hate to say its coordinated, but I haven't ever seen more coordinated behavior in an online community before.
I'm doing a hell of a lot more than Joe Biden simply by not handing Israel bilions in weapons.
I love how all you fucking morons pretend I have ANY obligation like the fucking PRESIDENT has. Stop expecting more of random citizens than you expect of the PRESIDENT. It's beyond pathetic. Stop being so pathetic.
I'm just saying, the Palestinian people need a lot more from you than specifically waging a propaganda war against Democratic voters.
There are charities you could donate your time or money to, there are think tanks with the ear of the president who you could reach out to.
I don't even agree with your usage of the term genocide, but feel like I have done more to help the Palestinian people through my own contributions.
That to me says something.
So you're just assuming I do nothing otherwise?
Again, stop being so pathetic. You still expect more from citizens than the president. Stop being such a joke.
I am sorry to assume you did nothing. I assume you have gone and marched with previously doxxed neo Nazis in the city nearest you under the guise that this is a pro-Palestine movement and not an anti-Biden one.
If you had any tactic but bullying leftists who disagreed with you, you would have used it already.
Bye, babe.
Ah yes, once again making insanely judgemental conclusions based solely on assumptions. Thank you for once again proving that reactionary morons also exist on the left. You are just as bad as those Nazis you are so afraid of, making such baseless assumptions.
Again, stop being so pathetic. You are what's wrong with humanity, right or left. Stop thinking with your feefees.
So, out of curiosity, what HAVE you been doing? Maybe lean into that as a constructive offramp here. Or just keep calling each other names.
The idea that I am afraid of Nazis is laughable.
I think unless you have anything concrete, we are probably done, aren't we?
Care to point out where I said you all were trumpets?
Right here.
I'm not sure you're reading correctly. In no way does in-fighting imply you love Trump.
I'm sure I'm reading it just fine.
Do you know why Nigel Farage came to stump for trump, and why trump called himself “Mr. Brexit”?
You’re big on following the money, I assume.
I know why you're diverting.