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Again, which part of trump's plan, that Biden merely followed through on to maintain our treatise and agreements trump made with the taliban, during a presidential transition, were Biden's changes or influence?
The man followed through with an agreement the previous administration made to try and signal unity and consistency that the US always honors their agreements, even if we don't like it, and that's Biden's fault somehow?
Again, Trump had NO PLAN. All he agreed to was to exit and the date.
Everything else was on Biden.
You know that's not true, right? The other guy replying to you cited sources and references proving that what you said is straight up not true.
And, unfortunately for them, their source directly says the opposite of what they think it does.
You’re 100 wrong here.
Trump literally could not plan the Afghanistan exit because, now follow me on this, he specifically arranged for it to happen in the next Presidential term.
When it came time to leave, Trump wasn't the commander in chief passing the orders. Biden WAS.
But this is not true and relies on knowing what he was thinking and making assumptions. Everyone else is playing by the rules of what is provably true. You’re just… well…. Assuming things.
It IS true, because all Trump did was agree to leave by what timeline and nothing else. He wasn't the one saying "Yeah, so if Guam offers to help, make sure you ghost all their phone calls" because that hadn't happened yet. BIDEN did that.
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/guam-was-ready-to-help-relocate-afghans-biden-ghosted/
"Among those willing to help was Governor Lourdes Leon Guerrero of Guam, a US territory in the Western Pacific. On June 12, she sent a letter to Biden. “Guam has stood ready to serve as a safe and secure route for this type of humanitarian effort throughout our history,” she wrote. “And today, it is no different. I assure you that my administration is prepared to assist” should Biden call on Guam to provide safe haven to refugees. She was echoing a plan advocates had been calling for since the spring: the “Guam option,” which would work around immigration bureaucracy by having the military airlift refugees to the island while they waited for their US visas or for another country to take them in. But the White House ghosted Leon Guerrero, too. After sending the June letter, the governor received “no formal written response,” according to a spokesperson."
Trump had fuck all to do with this because it all happened AFTER he was out of office.
Again, you’re 100% wrong:
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/
I appreciate your feeling the need to dig in and entrench yourself in your own defense- but you’re just wrong.
Your link is EXACTLY what I've been saying!
"The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal."
Trump made the agreement and set the date.
Biden issued the actual orders.
"Biden delayed the May 1 withdrawal date that he inherited. But ultimately his administration pushed ahead with a plan to withdraw by Aug. 31, despite obvious signs that the Taliban wasn’t complying with the agreement and had a stated goal to create an “Islamic government” in Afghanistan after the U.S. left, even if it meant it had to “continue our war to achieve our goal.”"
He inherited the commitment, and the timeline, the actual order of events, the actual military decisions, the choice to ignore the offer of help from the Governor of Guam, that's ALL on the commander in chief, which, at the time, was Biden.
I think it’s pretty evident that you don’t understand how any of this works. It’s probably best to end this here before I start getting comments removed.
I'm telling you exactly how it works, Trump committed to it, factually proven, with links. Biden executed it, factually proven, with links.
The failure was in the execution, as I've already noted.
Did Trump set Biden up for failure?
100% yes.
Could Biden have done things differently so as to avoid the clusterfuck?
100% yes.
Biden CHOSE to start drawing down troops while civilians and equipment were still there. That is all on Biden.
From June, 2021:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/04/politics/afghanistan-siv-bipartisan-letter/index.html
"It takes an average of 800+ days, and we plan to withdraw in less than 100 days," they noted. US Central Command said this week that the US withdrawal from the country was 30% to 44% complete."
Biden CHOSE to ignore the Governor of Guam when they offered assistance evacuating the civilians who helped us.
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/guam-was-ready-to-help-relocate-afghans-biden-ghosted/
"Among those willing to help was Governor Lourdes Leon Guerrero of Guam, a US territory in the Western Pacific. On June 12, she sent a letter to Biden. “Guam has stood ready to serve as a safe and secure route for this type of humanitarian effort throughout our history,” she wrote. “And today, it is no different. I assure you that my administration is prepared to assist” should Biden call on Guam to provide safe haven to refugees. She was echoing a plan advocates had been calling for since the spring: the “Guam option,” which would work around immigration bureaucracy by having the military airlift refugees to the island while they waited for their US visas or for another country to take them in. But the White House ghosted Leon Guerrero, too. After sending the June letter, the governor received “no formal written response,” according to a spokesperson."
Trump had NOTHING to do with either of those events because he had already been out of office for MONTHS when they happened.
You don't believe me? Believe, I dunno, the STATE DEPARTMENT?
https://abcnews.go.com/International/reporters-notebook-afghanistan-withdrawl-State-Department-biden-trump/story?id=100553006
"While the White House previously said that Biden directed government agencies to prepare for "all contingencies," the State Department inquiry found disorganization in the highest level of government, saying it was "unclear who in the department had the lead" on evacuation efforts.
The review also claims that senior officials failed to make critical decisions about which at-risk Afghan nationals would be airlifted before Afghanistan fell into turmoil."
Cited, quoted, proven.
k.
please check dms/reports