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"Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election?" [Y/N]
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One side is working to dismantle democracy. The other side is not. If you don't vote blue you are enabling Republicans to enact Project 2025. You would enable Republicans to take away rights from LGBT people in America. You would enable abortion bans and enable even more of the genocide in Gaza. You would enable Republicans to do all the types of stuff listed in the meme, and they will try.
I am convinced some of the far left that won't vote for Biden because of the war in Gaza are being influenced by Republicans. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those people are Republicans trying to get people not to vote for Biden. It may not be an ideal situation, but if you don't vote for Biden because you think he is handling the war in Gaza horribly, you are doing exactly what the Republicans want you to do. Maybe someday we'll be able to vote for someone better than him. But for now, you have to understand the reality of our two party system, and deal with it. At the very least, don't do what the Republicans would want you to do: staying home rather than going out and voting for Biden
Make it make sense
the democrats are fundamentally closer to republicans in status and solidarity than they are to most working class americans that they claim to represent.
True, but irrelevant. You haven't explained how they're worse for failing to prevent the republicans from doing stuff
you are interpreting what i said as democrats are worse than republicans. i don't really see much of a difference in them at this point
Are you blind? How can you not see a difference?
considering AIPAC buys democrats and blackmails up and coming progressives I'd say that the democrats are pretty fascist themselves because AIPAC is a zionist organization furthering the zionist colonial project. our choices are fascism or sugar coated fascism. im not choosing either, thanks.
Your choices are between a rapid decline to christofascism or the continued slow decline to neoliberal fascism.
Voting in the presidential election is but one of the many political actions you can take, and while it can no longer be used to affect positive change, it can still be used for harm reduction.
I'll buy time to prepare and fight in other ways by choosing the slow option, thanks.
Edit: I'll add that your inability to see how things could get worse than they have been under Biden is an egregious failure of imagination on your part. You think we're at rock bottom? That things can't possibly get worse more quickly than they already are? You are very sorely mistaken. If Trump is elected a second time and he follows through on his promise of revenge against his political enemies, are you going to think "would've happened anyway if we elected Biden instead"?
Thank you finally someone who understands how this works
ok would you tell a palestinian american to vote for biden? knowing full well that they have seen live streamed footage of their family being murdered and this administration shrugging their shoulders about it? vote a man that has said that he is a zionist? vote for a party that is bought by an organization that wants to eliminate palestinians? would you tell them that their refusal to vote is stupid and foolish? that they are part of the problem and shill? like i have said before... this is getting so much discussion and the democrats are all coming out to say "hey all, um you need to vote for us, like its real serious" if its so serious they shouldn't have fucked around while they had the chance to do shit. if they are so serious, take this as a real threat to your power and fucking do something. ceasefire now! trans rights now! housing reform now! land back now!
Yes, I would and I have. I agree with you about the inaction and complicity of the Democratic party. I want a ceasefire now! I want trans rights now! I want housing reform now! I want land back now!
You will get none of those things by voting, nor will you get them by abstaining. What I have told Palestinian Americans before and what I would tell them again is if Trump comes to power, not only will the genocide not stop, but things will get worse, both here and over there.
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It’s questionable whether or not IVF is possible in Alabama right now.
You have to be trolling.
I cant even afford IVF so its not possible for me at all. Make sure test tube babies are ok but babies already born in gaza dying can be sacrificed. Gotchu
No. This was a response to the sentiment that both parties are the same so what’s the point.
I then pointed out one vast difference out of many others I could pick.
Then you attempted to pivot to Gaza.
My point stands, the parties are not the same.
look at their post history, they do nothing but shill anti-biden, pro-trump, 24/7
nothing they've said is pro-trump, as far as i can see.
"biden is actually worse than trump" is definitely pro trump...
also quite a bit of lies, and they just called me a snowflake...
it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to recognize a disingenuous person
no, it's not. if i said trump is worse than hitler, is that pro-hitler?
if trump were running against hitler in the next election, yes it would be.
especially if you lied and posted obsessively and constantly about that single issue
what did they lie about?
i'm not engaging with you either
looks to me like you almost exclusively engaged with them. is that the kind of non-engagement i can expect, too?
wrong. the statement doesn't change meaning just because of what team you want to root for (or against). biden sucks, and is dangerous in a lot of ways that trump isn't. i don't know if i care to try to rank them because they're both pretty fuckin evil dudes.
it doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to recognize a disingenuous person
it doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to recognize a disingenuous person
i meant gotchu as oh i get it, certain babies are more important. got it. not as in i got you in something.
they may be different on the surface but they both get in my dm's and grovel for money that i don't have. they both have the same message at this point: "our country is at stake, give me money so we can stop the other one from making it worse." when they both have more money than i could dream of. then they both squander that money on frivolous shit, policing and war. they are exactly the same in the ways that really matter. class and hierarchy.
they are colleagues with each other. we are just the public that they have to win over. they have solidarity amongst themselves but balk at worker solidarity. they both lobby against labor. they both make money from exploitative practices. they don't have any commonalities with the people they say they represent.
“Being able to have kids or not or being able to have abortions is just a surface level issue”
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its not irrelevant. no war but class war. the people that fight and die in war are not the aristocrats and politicians that start them. biden is our enemy as much as trump is
I think Ukrainians and Palestinians would disagree with the notion that "there is no war but class war". A good salary, food security, and affordable healthcare do not cure racism and fascism.
the difference between ukraine and palestine is that the US and the west have a vested capital interest in ukraine. there is no capital investment in palestine. there is in israel. new yorks state employee pension along with texas's is secured in israeli bonds. follow the money.
palestinians don't even have any sort of internationally recognized statehood. they have no sovereignty over themselves. this is about class. i personally don't have a vested interest in ukraine. but the capitalist ruling class here does. the ukrainian people are victims as much as the palestinians are victims of fascism and racism just as much as the palestinians are but the main difference is that one has the united states backing it along with the entire capitalist class corporate infrastructure. the palestinians don't have that. and who fights the wars? the rich? nope. the poor, who have nothing to offer as means except their bodies, labor and life. there is solidarity at the top, even amongst geopolitics. i mean they all gather in the same room together and act polite and do pleasantries while we have to grit and bear it in the virtual and physical hellscapes they create.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
...no
So why are only red states scrambling to destroy worker protections?
he also did fuck all about east palestine and let norfolk southern run the show
When he said he's the most pro-union president ever, he was right. But he's still a capitalist so it doesn't mean shit. A pro-union capitalist will still let corporations get away with negligent homicide.
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They had to pay for all the remediation, which is not just a slap on the wrist.
the residents of east palestine are all sick and have been getting worse since the event and the subsequent controlled burn off of the chemicals. there are still checmicals in the water but the EPA says its fine. norfolk southern says its fine. the east palestinians are getting sicker and sicker by the day and not getting nearly enough attention.
Looks like I'll need to look into this more, thanks for the heads up.
4 of these are just, 'he failed to do more to undo the Republican's party's efforts'.
as far as the border goes, theres no excuse for continuing trump era immigration policy that was, oh shit, already in place before even trump took office. dems don't care about the migrants affected by climate change that US actions have caused. kamala literally got on a microphone telling migrants to "not come to america" I mean this is the party saying they are gonna save us from fascism but we gotta make sure we vote. democrats like to say that they are everything the republicans aren't. maybe they aren't certain things but they are still classist as fuck and would let us die before their colleagues in DC do. maybe they want to keep trumps border policy cause of the growing republican latinx community which is in part due to inaction from the democrats fumbling over themselves and failing to make any meaningful change
How is it that republicans are so much more effective than democrats? Before you use the tired excuse of "it's easier to break things than to make things" tell me why biden can't break this support of genocide.
What makes you think they are more effective?
Eight years of Obama plus four years of Biden resulted in mediocrity at best, whereas only four years of Trump resulted in teetering on the edge of full-blown fascism.
That's because Democrats are pathetic cowards, not suited for the current political climate.
Looks like a little edgy eddie forgot all about violent insurrection ending in several deaths to overthrow a legal election.
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