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But it isn't your body though. And intentionally causing a miscarriage isn't a normal function of your body.
Your argument is that my body isn't mine?
You're so wrong it's not even funny. Maybe try living without resorting to advice from a book sloppily written (and rewritten) ages ago to dominate people afraid of shit they don't understand?
Then again, logic is clearly not your strong suit.
A foetus isn't part of your body. It's a separate being with it's own blood type and DNA and can also feel pain. Just because it is in you doesn't mean it is you.
Also, I'm sorry, but I'm really confused to what you're saying? Is that a critique of modern medicine or something??? Like of course medical textbooks (what I assume you were referring to, unless there was a specific one) have been rewritten, we're actively researching how to combat different diseases and prevent fatalities. Are you trying to promote homeopathy or something?
While it's fun watching you trying to weasel your way out of the discussion at hand your comments in other threads betrayed your thoughts on the matter already. You know full well which fucking book I'm talking about, and it isn't compatible with modern medical texts in the least.
If you want to believe in bullshit you're free to do so, but why the fuck do you think anyone would be the least bit interested in what your imaginary friend thinks about abortion?
Who is using the Bible as a medical textbook, and at what point did I mention the Bible in regards to abortion? It's completely irrelevant to this discussion.
Your whole stance on abortion is guided by your beliefs, you've made that much glaringly obvious. There's not a single other reason for anyone to be against other people's abortions like you are. Each and everyone is responsible for their own decisions, you don't get to involve yourself.
It's utter insanity, yet you spout it like it's some sort of inherent truth. That's what zealots do, not normal people.
So "killing people is wrong" is an inherently Christian belief, which atheists don't possess?
Because christianity has such a stellar track record when it comes to murder, right?
Either way, you're the only one who considers it murder, and not only that, you seem to think your personal religion should be the sole decider in where the line is drawn. Even for people who don't want to have anything to do with any of that shit.
Who made you the arbiter of justice? God?
I'm the only one? sure.
And as I said, I don't think that's where the line should be drawn for religious reasons.
So if not for religious reasons all you have left is your opinion, which makes it even worse.
Once more; why do you believe that you have any say about other people's reproductive systems, let alone their private lives?
Do you realize just how delusional you sound?
Because I think letting people kill other people is bad
You're still arguing that your opinion of abortion is the absolute truth. It isn't.
Only the truly delusional think that their opinion matters at all when it comes to other people's lives.
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We already figured out that you are ok with killing people under specific circumstances. Try at least to pretend to be consistent.
If it's not part of my body, I can just remove it and it will just survive on it's own, it has blood type and DNA so should be ok.
If you abandon a born child on it's own, it wouldn't survive very long either.
So is a blastula also a child? You don't see the difference between the ability of a foetus to survive outside it's mother and that of a born child?
I do not see it's inability to survive as an excuse or justification to kill it
So again we arrive at the same question, where and why do you draw the line?
And jailing people for unintentional miscarriages also isn't a normal functioning society.
Exactly.
Don't live inside other peoples bodies and you are safe.
And the people in Gaza should simply stop living in Gaza.
I see, you have difficulties differentiating things. I help you my friend: a human body is not a country. You are welcome.
And a factory is not a country either, doesn't mean we shouldn't have safety standards or worker's rights
Not sure how that is related to anything, but religious people come up with the funniest explanations - so entertain me.
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I fail to see the connection between your last statement and the rest of our conversation.
Saying someone deserves to die for being in a place that they cannot help being in is a very dangerous thing to say.
Sure, and I haven't said that. My body is just not a place or at least fundamentally different from any kind of other places that exist out there. Also I like how you conveniently don't bother answering, if for you a blastula is the same thing as a fully developed human.
They're both humans
Where do you draw the line? What is not human to you, an egg? A sperm? Every single cell in your organism?
That's besides that you are dodging the question, since everyone with eyes can tell that a blastula is not the same as a fully developed human. It's a stage in human development.
In nature, eggs and sperm are regularly discarded, sperm exists in it's millions. It's not the same thing as a full human. I may not have a definitive answer for when the development becomes a human, but it's certainly not the moment it leaves it's mother's womb.
Also, born babies aren't fully developed humans either. It's not really possible to view humanity as a binary thing.
So you recognize that humans have a developmental process. You agree that sperm and egg are not a human. So somewhere in between there must be a line or we at least can come up with some criteria to define a line. So why are you against abortions, since you seem to not think that a blastula is indeed the same as a child?
I don't think the line is birth. We can quite clearly see with technology that a child does indeed exist within the womb.
So where is the line, since you were talking about abortion in general.