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Michigan governor says not voting for Biden over Gaza war ‘supports second Trump term’
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Trump, the one who moved the US embassy would, if anything, support Israel even more aggressively than Biden.
It's so infuriating how difficult it is for people to understand this
There are also a large amount of people who understand this and are intentionally acting as if they don't. This is just this round's version of the 'walk away' people from previous elections.
Some people love genocide so much they cannot imagine anyone opposing it without ulterior motives.
Some people love to argue in bad faith.
Is there a good faith argument that can be made in favor of supporting genocide?
Just like @dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com said, no one is arguing for genocide so you're not arguing in good faith. Imagine being so blind and you think Trump and Biden are the same. Unreal how reductive some people are.
If it were possible, you would be ashamed of your comment but here you are.
I didn't say that either. Biden should stop supporting genocide.
Biden has already been critical about the actions of Israel. Trump is in full support so when you say Biden should do X when you know his opposition would lean HARD into X, you are saying they're the same when one is clearly worse.
People like you love to make things black and white when the reality is shades of grey. Israel has the right to defend itself against the Hamas attack that killed over 1000 Israelis. They do not have the right to inflict genocide on anyone and whether or not you think Biden supports it ( hint hint: he doesn't) that doesn't mean Israel is going to stop.
Maybe you're just young and need to grow up a bit. Who knows? I just know your arguments are garbage.
He sold them weapons that he knew would be used for genocide. His tepid criticism is literally the words of a politician. His actions are clear.
Selling them weapons is support.
That doesn't mean we have to help them.
Listen to yourself sometime. We're talking about genocide here. If ever there was something that is clearly morally wrong in all cases, it's genocide. Biden should stop supporting Netanyahu's genocide.
You're so clueless I can't believe I ever bothered engaging with such a child. Grow the fuck up.
And since you can't justify support for genocide, you go for the Standard Centrist Dismissal.
You should stop supporting genocide.
Democrats should not be supporting genocide. Regardless of how much worse the alternative is.
The alternative appears to be that same genocide plus an authoritarian state run by a corrupt egoistist BTW. Voting for a party is and never has been a vote to support literally every policy they stand on.
I wasn't advocating for not voting for Biden; I was advocating for Biden to cease his support for Netanyahu's genocide.
Most would agree, but putting a worse person in power through apathy or inaction isn't the solution.
I'm not advocating for voting for Trump or not voting.
Democrats should not be supporting genocide.
And what does that look like to you this election cycle?
Stop the bullshit double speak, half truth skirting around the conversation and say, flat out and in plain English, how do you propose we handle this situation as a voter? Give us an actual solution.
We should continue the protests until Biden stops supporting genocide.
We should vote for Biden and not Trump. Democrats should not support genocide. The two aren't contradictory.
"Democrats should not support genocide" is a simple, direct statement.
There isn't one, unless we can somehow replace key centre-right policymakers inside the Democrat party and drag the party to a more firmly progressive platform
Yep, so vote Bernie in the primaries, then when he loses the primary and the election is Biden vs Trump vote Biden.
It sucks that our election system has been warped into a two party shitshow, but here we are.
Our ecosystem will not survive a Trump term. That means our food supply will not survive a Trump term. We do not want a neverending dust bowl.
Additionally of you really think Trump will do anything for peace you haven't been listening to his words or looked at his actions.
I said Democrats should not support genocide. I did not say people should not vote for Biden. I did not say people should vote for Trump.
I said that Democrats should not be supporting genocide. Biden should stop and you should too.
Why I started with, "Yep". Another word for yes.
Then don't accuse me of being a trumpist because I don't think that Democrats should be supporting genocide.