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They're mostly the tiktok generation who can barely read. Critical and logical thinking are pipe dreams.
Gonna be a hard life for them.
Democrats should not be supporting genocide, nor dismissing and alienating those that oppose it.
Good thing they don't then isn't it?
Saying there is one doesn't make it true.
There is a war, it's brutal and will get worse before it gets better. If it gets better.
Palestine doesn't even have an army. What war are you talking about?
This is more a "special military operation" as retaliation for a terrorist attack. Because this ain't a war, it's a massacre of mostly innocent people. I mean.. they're literally targeting children. And the ambulance trying to reach them.
It just happened to have 24 battalions of Hamas terroists I guess eh?
Good news is 18 of them have been eliminated. Won't be long now until the objective is complete.
Ok, if they were confining that to Hamas maybe it would be good news. But how many Palestinians were "eliminated" on the way to delivering you your "good news". How many dead children? How many doctors, teachers, drivers, grandparents have been eliminated to bring you this good news?
I just don't think that Israeli lives are any more or less important than Palestinian lives. So murdering 30,000 Gazans doesn't seem like remotely good news to me.
But then again I'm not a bloodthirsty bigot.
Thousands of people died in the allied Dresden bombing campaign in WW2, by design.
Hundreds of thousands died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Doesn't make the allies any less just in their fight. They did what was needed to win decisively.
Wars not pretty but often it's necessary if you want to live.
Sounds like complete pacifism. Is that correct? Is there a war now or at some point in history that you supported?
It would be a good thing if they weren't gaslighting genocide deniers as well, but here you are.
Denying it doesn't make it anything other than genocide. You just want to support genocide without pushback.
It's genocide and nothing else. Downplaying it is genocide apologia.
They're not my party. They actively fucked over my guy Sanders.
They are only better than the alternative fascists Republicans so they have my vote.
Unless bullshit like women being forced to birth dead babies appeals to you then they'll have your vote as well. Things can always get worse beyond your wildest imagination.
Did you look at the picture of the protesters? You think those people are GenZ?
Centrist Democrats can't justify their support for genocide because there is no justification for supporting genocide. But since they don't want to stop, we get the Greatest Hits of Centrist Dismissals.
So much of the dismissal of those who are opposed to the genocide that centrist Democrats support boils down to "I'm old. I assume you're younger than me and are therefore wrong."
Exactly. It's just Boomers who are obsessed with getting their way. Then they turn around and tell us that we don't know how to compromise. The best examples they have about "compromises" they have made are things like "Biden stood with a picket line!" or "He tried for student loan forgiveness." They genuinely feel like those were material compromises on their part despite neither one having any impact on their lives in any way. It's fucking pathetic.
Centrist Democrats didn't want student loan forgiveness because of course they didn't, while progressives wanted student loan forgiveness because it helps people. Biden listened to progressives. When the Supreme Court agreed with Centrist Democrats and struck down Biden's first attempt at forgiveness, he kept trying.
I've been screaming for years that Democrats need to listen to progressives and not give up forever at the first setback. Biden did exactly what I wanted on student loans: he listened to progressives and kept trying. I cannot fault him on that issue.
There's a whole host of other issues I absolutely will fault him for. I agree with your other example. Centrist Democrats keep trying to give Biden sole credit for the UAW's hard work because he held a photo op.
If Biden had succeeded at student loan forgiveness that would mean moderates gave something up. He didn't and thus it's ridiculous to me they try to act like that's a compromise. It was an attempt at a compromise which failed.
I'm mid 30s so technically a millenial. Also I'm a progressive and voted for Sanders while you were playing with your fidget spinner in middle school.
Note the source of the poll. YouGov. They're reliable and as I said that was one example. Every poll shows it's young people.
But sure cling on to anecdotal evidence and call people you disagree with boomers. That'll get you far lmao.
Are you calling yourself "young people" then? Your own poll shows 43% of Millennials believe genocide is being committed.
I'm saying they've been "educated" by Tiktok, AKA brainwashed.
https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4349815-poll-americans-holocaust-myth/
I'm not about to unravel what your deal is here.
Biden needs these votes to win the 2024 general election. You can mock them all you like but that isn't going to make them show up at the ballot box. If you don't want Trump to win you'd better hope he stops sending weapons to Israel.
I'm aware.
There are people who are going to be dumb about this and stay home or vote third party. Thing is there's nothing anyone will say or do that will change their minds one way or another. I know because I voted for Jill Stein in 2016, in Wisconsin. Some have to make the mistake first hand to know it was wrong. It is what it is.
Upshot is I suspect major operations will be wrapped up by late spring. If so Gaza will be a distant memory to most voters in November.
Biden had an 81,000 vote margin in the key electoral college states to work with in 2020. Hopefully he can take the hit this Gaza situation will bring.
If he can't, so be it. Life will just get worse faster but at least I'll get to have a little bit of schadenfreude on the way down watching the Tiktokd left live the meme.
I see that meme and I think moderates when they cry that their pro-corporate, strike blocking, genocide supporting trash candidate who refuses to compromise with leftists or progressives loses to Donald Trump.
You look at 2016 and you feel guilty for what you did. I look at 2016 and thought "surely moderates will see the error of their ways and understand they can't win elections without us."
Nope. Despite moderates being the majority voting bloc they convinced themselves and a good deal of progressives that it was our fault. It's complete horse shit.
...with people who chant from the river to the sea yet cry genocide at every turn without a hint of Irony.
I take solace in the fact there's not a damn thing you're going to do that will change a thing.
Then ignore me.
I do for most threads on the topic unless I missed my entertainment quota for the day.
Removed - civility
Small sample size. I look at the polling data. Those claiming there's a genocide skew young in every poll.
Good. You didn't answer my question. My guess is you're a Boomer who thinks everyone younger than 65 is a child.
I guess harm reduction is a foreign concept here.
If you want more children to die vote for Trump. If you want less children to die vote for Biden.
There will never be a canidate where 0 children die.
It really is that simple.
Welcome to reality. Did someone tell you it would be pretty? Shame on them.
"Democrats should not be supporting genocide"
"ZOMG YUO WANT TRUMP!!!!!!"
Young people don't have enough Stockholm Syndrome yet to be blackmailed into voting for Genocide.
Takes years of doggy training to get a voter that far gone.
Harm reduction would be Biden stopping the sale of arms to Israel instead of sidestepping congress to sell more weapons for the slaughter.