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[-] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 153 points 1 year ago

Democrats keep trying to increase minimum wage, read a fucking News source.

[-] shiroininja@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

The problem is, we need caps on profit margins on necessities, and to stop the making of things we need for basic survival investment opportunities.

But that would be difficult to get done. So they go for the low hanging fruit of wages, which never permanently solve anything because they’ll just keep raising prices under this scamflation cycle we’ve been in since COVID.

[-] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago

Every service that is necessary for human survival should have a not-for-profit vendor.

[-] olivebranch@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago

Sure they do. Keep believing, any day now...

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My home state of Oregon mandates a minimum wage of $13.20 in rural areas and $15.45 in the Portland metro area, and it adjusts to inflation. Oregon has been governed by Democrats for years. Thanks to these and other laws, I can go down to a McDonald's and get a job that pays $16-17 an hour to start in my city. TriMet in Portland is always advertising a $28 starting wage for bus drivers (no CDL) up to $37 after three years. Rent in my city is $800-900 for a one-bedroom flat with excellent free public transit and fair bikeability. Fuel prices are reasonable. We have strong protections for tenants against abusive landlords. Strong anti-discrimination laws. Everyone has paid sick days. No regressive sales tax. Working-class people can afford a roof over their heads and decent food on the table.

Check out the neighbouring state minimum wages.

  • Washington (Democratic government): $16.28
  • California (Democratic government): $16.00
  • Nevada (divided government): $12.00
  • Idaho (Republican government): $7.25

But yeah, keep harping on about how both parties are the same and that Democrats don't do more to help the working man.

[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago

My home state of Oregon mandates a minimum wage of $13.20 in rural areas and $15.45 in the Portland metro area, and it adjusts to inflation.

I was part of that! I was on a team that made a web site that visualized the effect on poverty levels on a county-by-county basis when the minimum wage was at different levels. It made the need for a split minimum wage obvious, since the minimum wage that is necessary for metro areas is inappropriate for rural areas. Rumor has it that the legislature used it in the decision making to some degree.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

That's actually better than I thought. People in other states are so used to the dysfunction that they literally don't believe these things are possible.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Good news doesn't spread as quickly as bad news and rage bait. "McDonald's Workers Can Afford Flat on 1/3 of Income" isn't a good headline but "Families Increasingly Priced Out By Red-Hot Housing Market" does.

[-] olivebranch@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Isn't California full of homeless people?

[-] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago

Have you ever been to California actually? Yes the situation is bad but not everywhere is California is like that.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yes, and that's because the progressive and left-wing of the Democratic Party is losing a power struggle against the centrists and neoliberals. If you want to change that, be sure to vote in the party primary elections and to encourage everyone you know to do the same.

Register to vote

[-] explodicle@local106.com 5 points 1 year ago

That's waaaay more complicated than just minimum wage. $16 isn't even a living wage here in L.A. where we've got lots of homelessness.

We ought to employ Land Value Taxation to fund the basic necessities for survival, and the remainder should go towards a UBI.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

For what it's worth, the minimum wage in LA will rise to $17.28 in July of this year. I get that's still not very high by LA standards, but I stress that progress is better than stagnation.

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[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Look at how well the democrats allow the capitalists to treat me as they ensure they can continue to exploit my labour for their own profit uninterrupted!!11"

(seriously - start by looking at those companies profit margins for a tip of the iceberg idea of just how much they are making off of your labour before you do a happy dance over a couple of dollars more they're willing to throw your way to keep you from demanding actual freedom)

But yeah, keep harping on about how represented you are in the sham they call electoral politics..

[-] Sprokes@jlai.lu 17 points 1 year ago

I think OP is just saying that democrats are better than Republicans. We have multiple parties in my country but people vote for tree ones that support capitalism and rich people. We also have people that support a politician that was found guilty of fraud.

Rich people have power so they can do what they want.

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[-] rambaroo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

None of these are living wages. You don't get a cookie for doing the bare minimum of keeping people out of effective slavery. Give me a fucking break.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Your other comment says—

So pathetic how you claim to support democracy but shit on anyone who criticizes your precious political party and then make juvenile excuses for doing so.

I don't. But it's undeniably true that one party is much better, in my opinion, than the other. They aren't a perfect party but to equate them with the Republican Party simply because they aren't doing a perfect (or in many cases, even a good) job is stupid.

Right now, the choices are "bare minimum" or "nothing at all". These choices are not the same. One is clearly better.

If you would like a more nuanced opinion then read carefully the rest of my comments in this thread. I'm not going to repeat my points for every person who comes along with the same retort and insult thinking they've "got" me.

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

There's an $18 minimum wage in Denver, for instance. Republicans sure as hell didn't vote for that.

[-] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago
  • puts fingers in ears and starts screaming “lalalala…”
[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago
[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're correct, but Lemmy seems to be full of liberal morons who think they're leftist simply because US conservatives are so far right.

They aren't leftists. They're moron incrementalist Liberals who don't understand how CONSTANTLY capitulating to fascists is in fact NOT progressive. At all.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Having fun in fantasyland?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

When all it takes to stop them is the nonbinding opinion of an unelected advisor, are they really trying, though?

[-] explodicle@local106.com 19 points 1 year ago

Have you tried voting harder this midterm?

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago

Maybe if Democratic legislators vote harder, the Republicans won't be able to stop them!

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[-] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Or a single House speaker that refuses to even bring it up for a vote. Or or a dipshit that brings it up for vote, then filibusters their own bill (coughMcConnellCough)

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

The obvious fact that Republicans are much worse doesn't make it ok for the Democrats to not fight for the things the overwhelming majority of their voters want.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The parliamentarian's word is law, baby.

If only people could eat Democrats' excuses, no one would ever go hungry.

[-] BingoBangoBongo@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago

They just repealed right to work in Michigan, and Meijer employees presumably used that leverage to significantly improve wages and benefits.

[-] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Right to work is another BS right wing policy that needs to die. I put in less than two weeks notice, I'm an asshole; company drops me in an instant, business as usual.

“Right to work” as the name of an anti-labor policy sure has a dystopic newspeak feel.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Minimum wage is not the same thing as a living wage. The minimum wage should be a living wage, but it isn't.

See: NY. We just got our minimum wage increase and it's 15-16/hr depending on where you are in NY... That's what we were fighting for more than ten goddamn years ago. $15-$16/hr is an absolute joke on Long Island and NYC. I finally managed to claw my way up to 60k/year and as a single guy the thought of homeownership on long Island is as fantastical and far-fetched as a unicorn, forget about 15/hr... You can't even rent most illegal apartments at that income alone.

The conversation needs to be about what constitutes a living wage and how to calculate it at a given time for each area not just blanket minimum wage increases to specific numbers that sound nice to chant like "fight for fifteen."

[-] rambaroo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Lol getting down voted out of pure tribalism. The complete unwillingness of their base to seriously criticize Democrats is such a massive fucking turn off to voting for them.

[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Achieving a living wage starts by raising the minimum wage.

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