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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 79 points 1 year ago

Conservatism is a plague of oppression, violence and death. It always has been. There is no place in a modern society for conservatism.

When you see your conservative neighbors, co-workers and relatives, remember they killed this innocent child. They did this.

[-] Jessvj93@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Ancient Roman Conservatives (Optimates, cause of course) "Look when you lift their skirts, you find a Populare (Democrat). We need to bring back traditional values!"

Since the days of yore, always about traditional fucking values.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

And like now they aren’t. It’s a factionalized past constructed by the traditionalists.

[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 8 points 1 year ago

When you see your conservative neighbors, co-workers and relatives, remember they killed this innocent child. They did this.

Obviously they did not.

[-] PizzaMane@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A few weeks ago, on 7 February, the bullying allegedly erupted in violence when Nex suffered severe head injuries during a “physical altercation” at Owasso High School, according to the Owasso Police Department.

Sue Benedict told The Independent she was called to the school that day to find Nex badly beaten with bruises over their face and eyes, and with scratches on the back of their head.

Nex told her that they and another transgender student at Owasso High School had been in a fight with three older girls in a girls bathroom. Nex was knocked to the ground during the fight and hit their head on the floor, according to their mother.

Ms Benedict said she was furious that the school had failed to call an ambulance or the police. She said the school then informed her Nex was being suspended for two weeks.

She took Nex to the Bailey Medical Center in Owasso for treatment. They spoke to a police school resource officer at the medical facility and were discharged.

That night, Nex went to bed with a sore head and eventually fell asleep while listening to music, Ms Benedict said.

On the afternoon of 8 February, Nex was getting ready to go to Tulsa with Ms Benedict for an appointment when they collapsed in the family living room.

Ms Benedict called an ambulance, and Owasso Fire Department medics arrived to find Nex had stopped breathing. Nex was taken to the St. Francis Pediatric Emergency Room where they were later declared dead.

This child's blood is on their hands. Not just the kids who did the physical beating, but also the conservatives who set up a culture where this is acceptable.

Try to join the rest of us in reality when you can.

[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This child’s blood is on their hands. Not just the kids who did the physical beating, but also the conservatives who set up a culture where this is acceptable.

Try to join the rest of us in reality when you can.

Well, if Nex's sexual identity indeed was the reason they are dead, and all this had taken place, say, 20 years ago, nobody would've died because nobody would've asserted their sexual identity in public.

Should children have the privilege of asserting their sexual identity in public? I guess so. Does it sometimes have consequences? Bad as it is, yes. You may very well argue that something is wrong that when it has consequences, but that argument doesn't yet remove the consequences.

So I think it is not me who's not in sync with reality here.

e: gender identity in this case, not sexual identity

[-] PizzaMane@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

Well, if Nex’s sexual identity indeed was the reason they are dead, and all this had taken place, say, 20 years ago, nobody would’ve died because nobody would’ve asserted their sexual identity in public.

Not only is that not true, people have been coming out since humans existed, it's also wrong. You're confusing sexual identity with gender identity.

Regardless, all you are doing is victim blaming. Nobody should get beaten to death for how they express themselves. This is supposed to be the land of the free, not the land of the beatings for people society deems weird.

You may very well argue that something is wrong that when it has consequences, but that argument doesn’t yet remove the consequences.

The consequences for self expression should not be death, much less vigilante beatings that result in death. And your appathy is frankly disgusting, and a part of the problem.

[-] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago

Well, if Nex’s sexual identity indeed was the reason they are dead, and all this had taken place, say, 20 years ago, nobody would’ve died because nobody would’ve asserted their sexual identity in public.

Instead of someone being beaten to death because of their gender identity, they would beat someone to death because they are gay, or suspected of being gay.
History rhymes.

[-] PizzaMane@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Trans people are a part of the LGBTQ+, so this is nothing new. It's just a continuation or a long history of violence against the LGBTQ+

[-] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago

Yes we should encourage a culture where those who freely express themselves are not celebrated. Everyone should keep their heads down and do what society wants. No one is special. /s

You must be real fun to talk to. What if instead of expressing gender identity, it was expressing Christianity or political alignments that resulted in this?

I'm not American and I'm not LGBTQI+. I'm just a person who believes in basic human rights and wants people to care for each other. But apparently I'm out of sync with reality

[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 1 points 1 year ago

You must be real fun to talk to.

Oh, I should let you know that people frequently enjoy a fake laugh to stop me talking.

What if instead of expressing gender identity, it was expressing Christianity or political alignments that resulted in this?

Why would you think these would be different?

[-] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

I'm saying it shouldn't be but it is

[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Well, if Nex’s sexual identity indeed was the reason they are dead, and all this had taken place, say, 20 years ago, nobody would’ve died because nobody would’ve asserted their sexual identity in public.

Ah, yes, I remember 20 years ago, where no one asserted their sexual identity, neither cis heterosexual men nor cis heterosexual women did hold hands nor did kiss their partners nor did host large feasts to celebrate their marriages, where neither the groom nor the bride wore specific clothes socially assigned to their gender. No one did this and you could certainly never see it, anywhere.

Listen, I'm a cis straight guy, I just want everyone to enjoy the same freedoms and respect, and some assholes are really keen on not letting some specific people have them.

[-] TheCreepero@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

So true. There must be no forgiveness, no tolerance, no acceptance. Conservatives must be purged from this planet. This is the ONLY way forward, if we want a society that is good for everybody.

[-] PizzaMane@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

That is not at all what they are saying.

[-] TheCreepero@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

So? That's what I am saying. What are they saying in your opinion? To silently seethe at the conservatives while not doing anything?

[-] PizzaMane@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

You are mocking a call to violence in which there is none. They're saying conservatism (the belief, the ideology) needs to die.

Conservatives should be openly mocked and ridiculed for their cruelty and violence. They should be laughed out of office.

[-] TheCreepero@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

You are being entirely idealistic. You are saying things that sound nice to you without considering how realistic they are.

You cannot attack an ideology without attacking the people who make up that ideology. They cannot be cleanly distinguished from each other.

At some level you even realize this.

Conservatives should be openly mocked and ridiculed for their cruelty and violence. They should be laughed out of office.

This means attacking the people. You are talking about making conservatives social pariahs, having them lose their livelihoods and power.

So yes, destroy conservatism, but if you don't have the stomach to do everything that simple statement entails, get out of my way.

[-] PizzaMane@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

You cannot attack an ideology without attacking the people who make up that ideology. They cannot be cleanly distinguished from each other.

Quit your bullshit. Dunking on shitty beliefs does not equate to killing or hurting people like you were suggesting.

This means attacking the people.

Good job moving the goal posts. First it was purging. Now it's being made out to be social pariahs. Pick one, and quit equating scorn with violence.

[-] TheCreepero@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

No one hasn't mentioned violence except you. The word "attack" can mean many things.

[-] PizzaMane@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

No one hasn’t mentioned violence except you

You have a short memory

https://lemm.ee/comment/9485402

[-] TheCreepero@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Did you just link to a comment I didn't make? The delusions of auth-left never ceases to amaze me.

[-] PizzaMane@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Did you just link to a comment I didn’t make?

Lemmy has shitty links, and yours got buried by downvotes. Read the third one down:

  • "So true. There must be no forgiveness, no tolerance, no acceptance. Conservatives must be purged from this planet. "

The delusions of auth-left never ceases to amaze me.

I'm not auth left. But thanks for the insult, it's nicer to know that I'm dealing with a literal child.

[-] TheCreepero@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

And does "purge" mean violence to you?

Yes, you are auth-left. Your views on personal liberty are authoritarian. I am a liberal, but that's all I am going to say about myself.

[-] PizzaMane@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

And does “purge” mean violence to you?

In this context yes.

Yes, you are auth-left.

No I'm not.

I am a liberal, but that’s all I am going to say about myself.

No, you're just a troll on a 1 day old account.

[-] TheCreepero@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

How are you not auth left?

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