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The group left in a U-Haul box truck that was driven out of the county, police said, indicating the demonstrators were outsiders.

A small group of neo-Nazis marched in downtown Nashville, Tennessee, on Saturday, drawing a few vocal opponents and ultimately leaving following a "challenge," police said.

The demonstrators, all men, wore red, long-sleeve T-shirts and black pants, and some carried black Nazi flags, according to verified social media video from the scene.

"Neo-Nazi demonstrators ... carried flags with swastikas, walked around the Capitol and parts of downtown Saturday afternoon," Nashville police said in a statement.

No arrests were reported, and the group left in a U-Haul box truck that ultimately exited greater Nashville, police said, indicating the demonstrators may have been from out of town.

"Some persons on Broadway challenged the group, most of whom wore face coverings," the department said. "The group headed to a U-Haul box truck, got in, and departed Davidson County."

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[-] StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

So you're against freedom of speech?

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 51 points 1 year ago

Nazis are a blight on society, any time you give them a finger they take the whole arm, tattoo it full of swastikas and feed it to their ravenous dogs.

You don't need to be tolerant to the intolerant. They are the ones who broke the social contract by ascribing themselves to an ideology that is literally about genociding any group that doesn't conform to their view.

The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. No exceptions.

[-] Ooops@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Actually yes.

Because absolute Freedom of Speech is absolutely stupid.

No country should allow you cry fire at a crowded event without consequences because of free speech.

No country should allow you to lie in court without consequences because of free speech.

No country should allow you to make death threats without consequences because of free speech.

No country should allow you to tell lies in verbal or written contract because of free speech

Because there are certain rules our society is build upon.

Freedom of Speech is a right granted to you by the democratic society and framework of laws. Those intentionally leaving the implicit agreements of democratic society or established law behind (and literal nazis qualify) should lose protection of the same.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I used to be a very strong proponent of freedom of speech, but after seeing what that has been used for and the damage it has done I fully agree that limits are necessary.

That said I'm approaching the problem from a different angle. I think you absolutely have a right to say whatever you want, but there's an equivalent right that other people don't have to be subjected to what you have to say. To further expand on that idea people must be informed about the content of what you're saying. You're perfectly within your right for instance to insist that the world is flat, but before talking about that in public people need to be informed that you're about to go off on a fringe theory that has literal centuries of evidence that runs counter to it and that if they don't want to hear it they need to leave now.

In online spaces this problem becomes easier to handle, just apply content warnings, something like community notes, and hide the content by default until people opt into viewing it.

Edit: also we need to reevaluate this whole "corporations are people and have the exact same rights to freedom of speech" thing. I think we should generally be very accepting of a person's speech, but much more strict about a companies speech, especially commercial speech.

[-] Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago

I just wanted to say that this is very well said.

[-] bappity@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

I'm against nazis

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Not for folks who openly advocate against it themselves.

The rights of a democracy ought not be permitted to protect acts fully intended at undermining the democratic rights of the people.

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Encouraging an explicitly genocidal political movement is not protected free speech, similar to how a person can be charged with a crime for threatening someones life.

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

nazis don't deserve any freedoms at all.

There is no middle ground between genocide and peace.

[-] Pratai@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago

Who else do we know that wants to imprison people simply because of their beliefs?

Now, before you accuse me of “bootlicking,” or “sympathizing,” know that I find Nazis to be among the most abhorrent people that have ever existed- but I also also recognize that simply having a belief- regardless of how shitty it is- should never be a punishable offense.

Lest we become what we hate in others.

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry no, there is a clear line between 'people I don't like', with 'people who talk of genocide'.

[-] Pratai@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Cool. You are exactly what you hate. And to me, just as bad as they are. You don’t get to play by THEIR rules just because you believe they are wrong…. .

You play by THE rules because you know you ARE right.

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Keep defending nazis, I'm sure it will work out for you.

[-] Pratai@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago

Point out the part where I did that.

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

*gestures at your entire comment chain*

[-] Pratai@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago

Ahhh. Okay. You have no examples of anything I said, so you try and make a trollish gesture.

Fair enough. Thanks for playing. We’re done here.

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

What is your end goal here? To waste my time?

Pathetic.

[-] Pratai@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago

To point out that believing that someone deserves to have no freedom because they believe differently than you makes you more like them then you think.

Do better.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago

rights are a fiction, and I have no tolerance for nazis

[-] Pratai@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago

Rights are a fiction? I’ll bet the Nazis believe the same thing.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago

I bet they believe people need to breathe oxygen.

I'm still not going to tolerate them in my town.

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