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I'm an engineers who works with engineers. There are no rules. You have the dumb smoothtalkers and the smart... dumbtalkers.
It's pretty entertaining seeing management eat the bullshit some engineers give them. It's a crime for a manager not to be technical or at least have understanding of what is going on. If you want to see an engineer fucking a manager, put a manager who doesn't know shit about engineering.
I see this every fuckin day man. Do you work where im at lol?
I've also seen this. At multiple companies I've worked for.
It's like this everywhere.
It's good to develop skills in making flow charts. If you can draw what the bullshit guy is recommending and then draw what you know is a better solution, the manager might understand a little better how stupid what the bullshitter is saying. Or the bullshitter might start claiming your idea is his idea. Whatever, either way you won't have to work on something that you know will work like shit.
If you do things right, you can have the bullshitter basically working for you. They'll find out from you what should be done, go to the meetings make themselves sound smart by telling people how things should work... but when that matches how you said it should work, everything works out.
I really don't care enough to tell on them. But yeha, I've seen people taking weeks for things that should take 1 day. If this results in my team failing and getting fired, I'll find another job. I honestly don't have the energy to do the job of 3 people.