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[-] Bigtiddygothgrany@lemmy.world 369 points 9 months ago

If buying isn't ownership then pirating isn't stealing

[-] Syndic@feddit.de 128 points 9 months ago

Oh but it's not buying! The big "Buy" or "Purchase" button might have said so, but if you'd have careful read through 35 pages of user agreements, you'd see that you only rent the license to stream it.

Which obviously is total bullshit and the whole fucking system should be burned to the ground.

[-] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 9 months ago

This is precisely why I refuse to buy digital games. (And it extends to other media, but games are where I actually spend money)

I’ll pay for a rental service designed to be a rental service (ps+, for example) but will not buy individual games digitally. Who knows when they will become unavailable for some reason, and I can no longer download a copy. It’s bad enough when servers are shut down within 2 years of launch, but when the whole game gets pulled, then what?

I’ve decided I’m not even bothering with the next generation of consoles. So few things are even released on disc, with half the consoles being digital only, that it’s not even worth it. I’ll pirate instead.

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[-] null@slrpnk.net 57 points 9 months ago

Licensing isn't ownership, and pirating isn't stealing, it's copyright infringement.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 77 points 9 months ago

The previous comment is more like shorthand, rather than literal truth.

It's faster to say piracy isn't stealing if purchasing isn't ownership than it is to say "if a company can simply reverse a permanent access license at any time then pirating media from them is perfectly ethical and should not be considered a crime"

[-] null@slrpnk.net 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's bad shorthand though. In this context, there was never any "buying content" happening, nor was piracy ever "stealing". It's just misrepresentation of both sides.

[-] T0RB1T@sh.itjust.works 34 points 9 months ago

That's fair, but I feel like the point is that many people go through a process where

  1. You pay money
  2. The buttons on your screen say "buy" "purchase" "check-out" or something else to that effect

That feels like buying media, so according to the common "consumer" (hate that word) brain, you are spending money to buy content.

At the same time, media corps have been trying to teach us for years that piracy is exactly the same as stealing.

The whole point of the shorthand is to explain that these are not facts, they're misconceptions, AND both of these misconceptions exist for the same reason, corporate propaganda.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 16 points 9 months ago

That feels like buying media

It doesn't just feel like it, it says it. What it is is false advertising. If you don't get to keep it forever, the button should say something along the lines of "rent until we decide to stop hosting it".

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Come up with something better then.

[-] null@slrpnk.net 4 points 9 months ago
[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Because you're bitching about it. Either there's a better way to express the precise picture you're describing, or your central argument is fundamentally flawed, and it's an effective shorthand.

Sure, there's nuance. Shorthand is used to convey a nuanced thought quickly. That's literally the point.

[-] null@slrpnk.net 4 points 9 months ago

Lol "bitching" about it.

Weird logic. Pointing out something that isn't accurate but gets parroted anyways means I need to come up with a better thing to parrot.

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[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 28 points 9 months ago

Infringe me harder daddy ©👄©

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