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Let me ask all you Hamas apologists a simple question, why won't the arab brothers next door to the Palestinians allow them refuge in Egypt?
Can I assume you are saying - since other countries refuse to accept them, it must be acceptable to commit genocide? How do you feel about the voyage of the damned (1939), where 937 mostly Jewish refugees were turned away in the Americas? All had to return to Europe, 255 died in the war, many in the death camps.
I am asking specifically about one country and that is one with a shared border. The rest of your assumption is in your imagination.
Thanks for the clarification. So it needs to be a neighbouring country which refuses entry. I wasn't able to find any evidence of neighbours of Nazi Germany preventing entry to Jewish refugees but it seems odd all these desperate Jews would travel across the Atlantic to Cuba in the hopes of getting into USA. Couldn't they go to Western Europe, be safe then continue to USA? Unless they were officially/unofficially not welcomed. All in my head and the Holocaust didn't happen in 1939 so nothing to worry about.
You are a special type, aren't you? The Nazis had the Jews captive, but Hamas supposedly doesn't. Two different things. nice try though.
That ship left from Hamburg Germany. And why would Hamas need to keep Gazans captive in the largest open air prison in the world, maintained by Israel.
let's see if I understand this. The Gaza Strip is bordered by Israel on two sides, Egypt on one side, and the Mediterranean on the last side. Yet almighty Israel is the prison keeper? Surely you jest.
Yes and here is an article explaining why. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/gaza-israel-occupied-international-law/
An occupation does not equal a prison. Nice try though.
The only way to replace apartheid is with a democratic system.
INTERVIEW: Ilan Pappé: How Israel turned Palestine into the biggest prison on earth
Israel controls all aspects of movement, Water, Air space, Sea access, borders, Imports (food and building supplies), Labor exploitation, and maintain the apartheid through violence
It is absolutely an open air prison, except you get in just by being born inside the OPTs with the only court you'll ever see being a military court where even children can be taken from their families indefinitely with administrative detention
Gaza Strip is not the West Bank. They are two distinct geographical locations. Why is it you Hamas apologists can't even answer simple questions with simple answers?
The Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza fit the definition of a prison to different degrees. Those links go into extensive detail on both. I don't know what else I can do if you refuse to look at the sources I provide for details
Gaza does not equal the West Bank. I don’t know what else I can do if you refuse to use logic.
Obviously they are different territories, they are also both Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT). If you want information on how Israel maintains the apartheid of both territories, I have provided you the links above. If you want a comprehensive list of the history of the OPTs I can give you more links for additional context
Wait a minute. This is like a magic trick. First, it is Gaza, then the West Bank. Now it's an occupation but earlier it was a genocide. Make up your damn minds if you want anyone to take you seriously.
It's not a magic trick just because you don't want to engage with the sources I provide for detailed info on the subjects. The occupation began in 1967, the policies and permanence of the occupation are what maintain the apartheid of the OPTs and to a lesser extent Arab Israelis. Ethnic Cleansing has been ongoing, within the green line since 1948 and then within the OPTs after 1967. The genocide of Gaza began with the latest Gaza war
Can they travel freely? Didn't Israel bomb their only civilian airport years ago? Doesn't Israel block their sea access too?
you asked why the Jews didn't leave Nazi Germany, did you forget already? There have been camps in Germany since 1938. Not all Jews were lucky enough to be outside them. that is the reason Jews could not leave. The Palestinians are not held in camps or prisons by Hamas so stop being foolish.
Are you conveniently forgetting that Israel, yes, the same Israel has expelled more than 700K Palestinians in 1948 and is still refusing to grant them the right to return? How do you justify this in your eyes?
What if it was the other way around?
Unless the comparison is apt. Godwin addendum below.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/08/14/the-creator-of-godwins-law-explains-why-some-nazi-comparisons-dont-break-his-famous-internet-rule/
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/19/godwins-law-trump-hitler-00132427
Good opinion piece. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-godwin-godwins-law-20180624-story.html
Wow IDF goes hard on lemmy lately.
Really? IMHO neither IDF or MOSSAD are doing their jobs. There can be some 11d chess they are playing but the fact is, HAMAS or Stormfront doesn't need their own social media while here exists,
The dude I replied to is openly calling for ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and receiving 11 upvotes. The amount of IDF troll accounts have increased over the last two weeks. This looks like a targeted campaign. I hope the moderators can get a grip and ban these people.
Why should Palestinians leave the land they've been living on for centuries and become displaced refugees in another country?
Seems that most Arab countries aim for two things
Because Egypt is a dictatorship that doesn’t care about Egyptians or Palestinians. The general sisi accepted billions of dollars in bribes and therefore does what the US and Saudi want. (Saudi doesn’t like Hamas because they view it as related to Muslim Brotherhood and thus a threat to their monarchy)
But nice try trying to engage in Whataboutism.
Because they don't want to deal with a refuge crisis.
Do you realise that the Nazis used the same wording for jewish people ? Asking other countries to take jewish people as refugees to get them out of Nazi controlled territories. Are you seriously using the same tactic as the Nazis right now to kick Palestinians out of their homes ?
If I was either in Gaza or in Israel you might have a point but I'm here on Lemmy asking a question and you are using your imagination on overdrive.
Yeah because the way you asked your question wasnt indicative at all. " Let me ask you hamas apologists" etc... you're just asking a question right ?
Asking that in that manner and using the same questions the Nazis used to get rid of jewish people from the lands they occupied, the same way israeli politicians are asking to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians should give you pause at least.
Am I to shut my mouth while these guys freely defend Hamas? Isn't that what you are accusing Israel of doing to the Palestinians?
What a question to ask in the context of a genocide.
I'm sure you've got some interesting notions - why don't they?
I'm guessing it's the Palestinians' fault they're being genocided and can't be displaced into Egypt?
Who is a Hamas apologist ?
You haven't seen any posts here defending Hamas?
Hasbara
Nope
You're not looking are you?
I'm trying my best to be objective, and while I do admit I am not without fault, I have not seen what you are referring to. Are you sure you're not misattributing anything? Sympathy for Palestine does not equal defending Hamas' actions. I have yet to see a single post defending Hamas or their actions on Lemmy. I have, however, seen a lot of condemnation of Israel's actions. Maybe I am mistaken, but I believe you are conflating the two.
How am I supporting anything? It's people with mouths like this that are causing problems.
You defend a country that the ICJ has found to be conducting a plausible genocide. Makes you a genocide supporter.
How does taking in refugees make egypt complicit in the thing the refugees are running from? Was belgium complicit in the holocaust for taking in refugees? Was the greek patriarch complicit when he ordered his church to give out christian baptismal certificates to every jew they could? How would egypt be complicit in genocide by taking in people fleeing that very thing?
Israel's stated goals are ethnic cleansing. There are real estate companies already selling land in Gaza. Gaza's population is made of mostly refugees that Israel does not allow to return to their homes that has been the situation for 75 years
The plan is to never allow the Palestinians to return, this is called ethnic cleansing.
But I expect you already know this and are only arguing in bad faith.
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