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Is there something you lack in Wayland but have in xorg?
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Like, everything?
Guake doesn't work, gnome-screenshot doesn't work, Plank doesn't work...
Most GUI utilities that integrate into the OS of some kind require drawing over apps. It's absurd that Wayland doesn't support this properly for uhhh no reason other than vague claims of improved security and process isolation. If someone's into your system with such a degree of access it's all over anyway.
If I'm not using Gnome, then I'll be using i3 and then I honestly could care less which one, I'll just be using the most compatible one which I think is just xorg. Plasma just sucks I'm so sorry, it's messy.
And I'm sorry but there's no serious work you can do with an AMD GPU either. I wish it wasn't like this but it is, no CUDA no joy.
Wayland is DOA and will never replace Xorg. Deal with it.
This is just misinformed.
Sure your favorite apps may not use it, but Wayland does provide protocols for drawing things over other apps. https://wayland.app/protocols/wlr-layer-shell-unstable-v1
I never used guake with i3 since scratchpads exist and are the general solution, and sway works fine there.
and there's plenty of screenshot apps that work. I haven't tried gnome-screenshot, but I find it hard to believe that it or some alternative gnome one doesn't work given the effort the project has put into Wayland
nvidia support isn't great but it is getting better. I haven't bought nvidia in forever but I know plasma and gnome both say they have support for Wayland on nvidia now.
For gaming amd is great, for real work I'd just rent time on some cloud service lol. If I'm that worried about performance my one consumer gpu isn't going to make a dent either
He's wrong all of this works on Wayland.
I used a 3080 on Wayland and the only thing that didn't work was night light (red tint mode). At this time nvidia-open was marked as not viable for desktop. In 6.7 noveau has gsp support so the open source path has improved rapidly.
It was shortly after their hack that they announced partnership with RedHat / Canonical devs to make their graphics driver better. It's going to have a similar arch to how the AMD drive is under the name nvidia-open. However the proprietary driver does work on Wayland at this point in time.
Night mode doesn't work on Wayland? 💀
the one built in to plasma does, haven't tried any others
What about redshift?
No, redshift is an xorg application. It likely will become obsolete.
Night mode is in the compositor now.
just look things up lol
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Backlight#Wayland
wlsunsetfor wlroots-based compositors works fine, KDE and probably Gnome have their solutions, tooIt didn't at the time on Nvidia specifically. It has since been resolved.
Night mode works great on all three now, Intel, Nvidia, and AMD.
Pretty much everything works on Wayland in general at this point.
So no apps worth mentioning work, and only gaming (which doesn't work on Linux) is benefitted? Sway is dead and most of those other replacements are just worse. Yeah DOA like I said.
have you seen steam deck sales? linux gaming is mainstream. everything I've tried recently just works.
When would you think sway is dead lol? it has way more commits than i3, same number of contributors, and the last commit was 7 minutes ago. i3 hasn't been touched in months. i3 is dead, contributors have jumped to sway
also, even if you aren't using scratchpads over guake, guake runs on Wayland. https://github.com/Guake/guake/issues/1934
idk why all the people against Wayland are so clueless lol, it feels intentionally ignorant at this point
i3wm is a 15 year old feature complete window manager not a JavaScript framework. It isn't dead if it hasn't had a new release this month.
The last commit was 4 days ago the last release 4 months or so ago. It has again seen continuous development for 15 years.
where are gaps?
also fair, not dead, but it's silly to say sway is too.
gaps was merged a while ago
the screenshot functionality is now built into GNOME Shell with a better UI
Gnome has decided to never support wlr-layer-shell that is 40% of your userbase right there.
yeah that's weird, and I can't really tell why, but then that's a gnome problem not a Wayland problem. they're explicitly choosing to not support it.
I did find this though which seems to imply that it could be supported in mutter, but it'd take a fork if you wanted to implement it in gnome shell https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/973
anyway, there's choice. if you need these features use something that supports them
This is great unless you need feature A that only X or Y and B that is only available in Z
fork gnome then, idk what to tell you
How about I just continue to use X which will be getting security updates for the next decade and was feature complete many many years prior.
Nvidia works great on Wayland. Even unusual configuration I'm running with egpu hooked up to a laptop with another Nvidia card built in. Zero issues. I'm allergic to Gnome, but KDE works beautifully.
Hey could you please point me to some resources to wrap my head around what I need to know to consider an egpu setup with Linux? Just looking for something that will overview of requirements and pain points, all the better if I can try to figure out what a good bang for the buck rig looks like right now.
This is something I've been curious about for awhile, but most of the articles I've found seem to assume I've got some egpu knowhow already.
I found almost no resources for this but it was mostly plug and play.
One thing I can suggest is keep everything same brand. My laptop has an Nvidia gpu built in and I tried using amd gpu without success. Spent about a week on it and tried various combination of drivers and settings. Nvidia just works.
Also Intel gpus require rebar enabled which almost none of the laptops support so I did not really consider them even though they were super attractive because of pricing.
The way I use it is set prime-select to Intel2 which disables built in Nvidia gpu and then I activate external gpu after login by running nvidia-smi as root after login. Then you just launch apps you want to use Nvidia gpu with
__NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia command_name arguments
Thank you! So it sounds like I just need to find a GPU and enclosure combo that fits my budget (TBD) , and it's like adding any other bit of hardware. I do have an intel-only system currently (integrated Iris XE), so I'll have to dig in on that. Thanks!
I understand some harshness but this statement is just crazy, xorg is already dead feature wise and Wayland is de facto the new protocol, you can say it is not ready but there is no way back.
If there's gonna be a replacement for xorg, this ain't it chief, it needs to actually work