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Mass Grave in Gaza Points to “Execution-Style” Killings by Israeli Forces
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A question for the genocide deniers that'll pop into this thread to spout their monstrous nonsense...
Can you point to a way in which the actions, policies, or rhetoric of the Israeli government meaningfully differs from those of Novemberpogrome-era (Krystalnacht-era) Nazi Germany?
This isn't pointed at any individual, so I'm not even putting you on the spot - this is an opportunity for you to bring your best answers.
They spoke German.
Well that... that... that changes everything!
Are we, ze baddies?
I have realized a while ago that there’s no point in arguing or discussing with genocide-deniers, pro-Israel and pro-zionists.
They will write the most delusional things, deny every evidence there’s and come up with the most delusional things to defend the Israeli-Government.
I think they're delusional enough that there's value in giving them the space to lay that delusion out for all to see. They're one of the best arguments against themselves.
It's all the work of Schrodinger's terrorist sniper. He's killed every Palestinian!
If you are asking for a devil's advocate argument, we could start with the fact that the Jews weren't exactly known for detaining, torturing, and mass executing their own.
Hamas in 2014 allegedly tortured and killed 23 Palestinians under the cover of the Gaza conflict then by Amnesty.
That's not the only time they've executed Palestinians for alleged "collaboration."
You also have the fact that the Jews didn't torture and kill hundreds of German civilians including women and infants to kick off a retaliation.
While I think Likud show a disguising disregard for civilian life and suspect a number of their party would like to carry out a one sided genocide, I also think the "it's the same thing as the Holocaust" is a pretty gross statement.
It's also probably prudent to not jump to conclusions in what's actually taking place during the fog of war. I strongly suspect Israel is committing war crimes under the current administration, but I also remember the 2008 Goldstone report where they were accused of doing so after not participating in the process at all and then years later the person spearheading that inquiry said that had they known at the time the information they learned since, they would have had a different position towards the Israeli operations.
Time has a way of revealing a lot of details that are lost in the moment, there's probably unprecedented propaganda on both sides of this conflict, and while we should err on the side of humanitarian concerns in directing foreign policy and negotiations, the process of investigating allegations is extremely important.
But to be frank, the knee jerk "this is identical to Nazi Germany killing the Jews" is ignorant as shit. You can't just ignore the existence of Hamas and the fact it controls the region with its own war crimes (which, as has been the case for ISIS/ISIL and al-Queda, are often directed at their own dissidents with greater scope and violence than foreigners).
If you're going to play devil's advocate at least know the facts. There WERE Jewish militant groups that resisted the Nazis. The oppressed are justified to fight back.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising
Are you suggesting Palestinians are trying to eradicate all Jews when they are undergoing an actual genocide from Israel?
It's almost like both the Warsaw and Gaza uprisings were a reaction to occupation and murder.
Maybe I missed it in your link, but where's the part about the Jews murdering women and children, such as burning infants alive?
Looking at the casualties, it seems their very limited relative body count were soldiers and police, often killed in action.
Or did you miss that specification in what I wrote?
Seems like 70 years is a long time to keep a group of people under a crushing grip of apartheid. Perhaps Palestinians watching their family members bulldozed, tortured, bombed, strapped to tanks would evoke something in people?
Also are you seriously talking about the AI infant propaganda that the White House had to walk back on after no evidence was presented? Why not play devils advocate for the people that have now lost over 11K children?
You seem to be confusing the specific report of beheaded infants for which there was no presented evidence with the well documented reports of infants killed and burned.
There's no dispute that infants were killed. Just whether their heads were removed from their bodies by a sharp object before they died.
Also, what the hell does it have to do with AI? You sound delusional adding that in.
Citation needed. Netanyahu claimed 40 Israeli infants were burned alive and or beheaded and then shared an AI generated image of a burned infant.
https://theintercept.com/2023/12/14/israel-biden-beheaded-babies-false/
There's nothing about AI in that article.
Are you talking about the photo Ben Shapiro shared?
An image expert said that was real and the AI detection tools that flagged it are fake have high false positives (which they do):
https://interestingengineering.com/culture/expert-debunks-ai-tools-claim-that-israels-photo-is-fake,
Edit: More info about the expert cited from his Wikipedia page:
Your expert in the article has no idea what that is a picture of, even if it is not AI generated. I don't trust Israel, who has a literal propaganda division to tell me. If they want they can submit evidence to a independent third party, which of course they will not.
Now please give me an independent, verified source of these 40 babies burned or decapitated. Which you ignored.