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[-] ToastedPlanet 5 points 2 years ago

More Palestinians will die under Trump. The only logical choice is to choose the candidate whose election will result in fewer deaths.

[-] Kentifer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Palestinians are dying under Biden right now. The logical choice is to try to get him to step down.

[-] ToastedPlanet 2 points 2 years ago

Trump will green light Netanyahu to fully ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip. Trump does whatever strongmen tell him to do. It is illogical to allow a candidate whose election will result in more Palestinian deaths to be elected through inaction. Especially when Trump will prevent future elections and thus deny us the ability to elect more progressive candidates in the future.

[-] Kentifer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

How is that different from what Biden has done?

[-] ToastedPlanet 2 points 2 years ago

Over two million people live in the Gaza Strip. So killing all of them is different by about two million people.

[-] Kentifer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The ICJ disagrees. They believe it is plausible that Israel is committing genocide right now and they have issued preliminary orders to prevent further deaths. Do you think you know more about Israel's responsibilities under international law to prevent genocide than 17 judges sitting on the the ICJ? Do you believe that you know more than them? Or do you just take Israel at they're word.

[-] ToastedPlanet 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Israel is committing genocide now under Biden. They will still be committing genocide under Trump. The difference is the number of people who will be killed.

Currently 26453 Palestinians have been killed. The Gaza Strip being completely ethnically cleansed would result in over 2 million deaths.

Although both are genocide. Allowing Trump to create a fascist dictatorship and green light the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians would a worse outcome. Netanyahu's cabinet members have made it clear his administration wants to remove all Palestinians from the Gaza Strip. It is in the interests of the Palestinians to prevent a fascist like Trump from taking office who will allow Israel to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip. edit: typo

[-] Kentifer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Biden has shown himself to be either unwilling or unable to reign in or stop Israel. They don't believe the US will do anything to stop them, and so far, they have been proven correct. The rhetoric under Biden will be different than under Trump. But the outcome will be the same. Sorry that I'm not appeased by a milquetoast centrist urging Israel to take it easy.

[-] ToastedPlanet 1 points 2 years ago

The change to a fascist dictatorship is not simply a shift in rhetoric. Millions more people dying under Trump is not the same outcome.

If the Republicans complete their fascist takeover in 2025, that's it. There won't be another election. There won't be any opportunities to get progressive candidates. Without democracy the public will have no peaceful recourse to improve anything anywhere. Throwing our democracy away by not voting doesn't help anyone. If we want better candidates in election years then we need to be politically active in the four years leading up to the election.

[-] Kentifer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

So if Dems wanted to avoid that future, don't you think it would be smart of them to run someone that people actually want to vote for? Like if they cared about actually preventing that, wouldn't they choose someone who isn't this controversial. They have had since October to bring someone else up. They have 9 more months to run someone right now with Biden's endorsement. They won't, because they don't care about representing what the people want (to avoid dictatorship) they just want to keep power in the hands of the people they've chosen for you.

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