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We all just need to learn to accept ourselves
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Nah, there is nothing wrong with Rogue. She just lives in a world where her evolutionary trait is frowned upon by society. If she was allowed to embrace her true self and kill indiscriminately she would be much happier. Even more so than giving up her genetic advantage.
It might be lonely for a time but we all know she eventually runs into someone who can neutralize her power.
Edit: looking online Rogue also gains full control over her powers in some instances.
Gentle reminder there's a kid who got the power to blow himself up. Once. And he used it. Her perspective on the evolutionary trait is positive because she got a good roll of the dice while those around her got significantly less lucky. She is able to restrain her power unlike instant death touch girl, she's able to use it multiple times unlike Bailey Hoskins, and her big struggle is she can't go murder psycho? Again I really think her perspective is positive because she's got significantly more control and usability out of her mutation.
The page doesn't say how they figured out he had the power to do this. So- how did they figure out he had the power do to this?
He was already at Xavier's school before he blew himself up.
I believe there was either another mutant with the ability to, or they found a way to, detect mutant abilities. I saw a short video that recapped the comics so I unfortunately don't know a lot of the details. The name of the comic is linked on the wiki though.
Once....well if it's the same kid I remember reading about around the recent 'Trial of Magneto' then twice. He got resurrected as a zombie due to Wanda trying to resurrect the mutants that were died up on Genosha. She messed up big Zombie attack. He blew up again.
Couldn't find anything that suggests he was resurrected or even made an appearance outside his specific comics but possibly! Really cruel fate for this kid though.
It's the comics where horticulture appears and magik goes full demon. I definitely remember a guy who blows himself up completely as I only read genosha a couple months ago.
You might be able to find it better than I, to see if they had a name.
Ok but shouldn't she just end this argument by grabbing Storm? Iirc, not only would she kill her or at least shut her up, she'd also take on her powers and get to be the weather goddess for awhile. Be nice to see what someone with her emotional damage did with that. Would it be "You get a tornado! You get a tornado! Everyone gets a tornado!" Or "I'm just gonna send the rain to the starving drought-stricken children in Africa and let the sun shine rainbows on the Pride parade, I wanna bring joy for once in my fucked-up life! "
Yeah, rogue is the true master of adaptation. Comic book rogue even gets to keep their powers indefinitely, if she absorbs long enough. She has the potential to become the most powerful being in the marvel universe.
Now I want a rogue based movie.
Jean Gray being the big bad wasn't very good but I think rogue could work because he's a believable character.
but like she clearly doesn't want to kill people, what you're saying is effectively that people should be entirely determined by their genetics and have no say in the matter, which is.. rather fucked up?
it gets extra terrible when we remember that a significant chunk of humanity is born with evolutionary traits specifically evolved to help hunter-gatherer tribes, i don't think people with ADHD and autism want to be compared to someone who kills everyone she touches..
She doesn't want to kill people because society has taught her that killing is wrong. There is no societal precedent for someone with her ability. If a shark was raised to believe it was a tuna it doesn't change the fact that it's a shark.
And I know for a fact that ADHD people don't appreciate the fact they have to medicate to be valued in their society.
Edit: but can't you just except that I am on magnetos side, professor x?
Yeah, something about perpetuating your own species seems like a logical reason to teach people that.
Also, most people instinctively do not want to kill. That's why military training has to cram the idea of "you have to kill people" down their trainees' throats, and reportedly many still don't pull the trigger when they see they will actually end up killing someone.
Honestly, this makes me worry about you and what you've done or plan to do.
Lol
We're talking about fictional characters. Rogues mutation has the potential to spur a new species of human. Her progeny will define a whole evolutionary line. Your simple mindedness makes me worried people like you vote.
Rogues only obligation is to preserve the traits she has been given for survival of her offspring.
Edit: corrected terminology
What progeny? How can she even reproduce?
This is a really good question. Does her power affect the fetus? Is she doomed to always have a miscarriage? Could you solve the abortion issue by figuring out when hew power activates?
Like I mentioned before there are instances where rogue has complete control. Also she could find a suitable mate that is powerful enough to withstand her power.
Edit: I'm glad I could introduce someone to the driving conflict in xmen. Your welcome.
Such as? And why would she have sex with that person just for that reason? Do you think she's some sort of mating robot?
Shhhh he's getting now to the juicy details of breedable rogue lore /s
I think we're getting into Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex territory.
Donor sperm is a thing...
A surrogate from whom? Touching the fetus would kill it.
i.. i think you need to go watch crash course's videos on genomics and evolution, this isn't how evolution works.
also nice personal insult there, definitely makes people want to listen to anything you have to say
Dude literally questioned my morals based on my opinions about xmen. Why don't you go scold him.
There's a lot wrong with what you just said.
It's "Genus".
Homo is the genus, Sapiens is the species.
Taxonomy works in retrospect. We don't classify new species nor branches until they already exist. We can't simply predict.
A species is defined as a group that can interbreed and produce viable, fertile offspring. Mules for instance aren't a distinct species because they are largely infertile. This is why we classify in retrospect.
4.5. As a result it's impossible to know if Rogue would even constitute a new species. She would need to be capable of having children who can have children with each other. And I don't even want to get into how fucked up the implications of that are. It also means that if Rogue or her children could have viable offspring with ordinary humans, they cannot be different species.
Even if she was a whole new species, Rogue would probably not be an entirely separate Genus either. She would likely be Homo still. The split for her species wouldn't go that high up in taxonomy.
An organism is not only obligated to preserve its specific traits. It's obligated to preserve as many traits similar to its own as possible. This is why you'll see family groups in nature work together. Uncles and aunts will nurture their nieces and nephews because a substantial portion of their own genetics lives on in their siblings' progeny. They can still pass on some of their traits in that way.
6.5. This is why some people think gay people exist, from an evolutionary perspective. A tribe with 12 adults and 5 children is able to better provide for their collective kids than a tribe of 12 adults and 6 children. Some of the gay people's DNA is still in their nieces and nephews.
This is all basic college biology. You should be able to find it fairly easily.
I would argue Rogue would does not benefit from society and remaining lowers her chance of survival because ordinary humans want to kill mutants. See magnetos origin story. Without Professor X's intervention Rogue would have been killed or she would would have embraced her powers and fought for survival.
As for if she would be a new species, you don't have to purposedully inbreed anyone. It would just be a natural part of population growth. It eventually becomes inevitable.
That's the definition of a new species however. Until Rogue's progeny can no longer have viable offspring with anyone except themselves, they aren't a separate species, let alone genus. This is why dog breeds aren't different species. They may be different, but they can still have children together that can go on to have other children.
I would also argue this is a fictional version of evolution where giant fantastical leaps in genetics are possible and you can't really apply evolution theory as we currently understand it. I do accept my understanding is limited so I did change my OP but really some of this stuff may be decided if we get deeper into xmen lore.
Fair enough, but we can't use irl biological justifications in that case.
Either way, I give up. I tried to do my best magneto but people weren't feeling it. I'll work on it, I guess.
As I get older, I come to realize that Magneto and Xavier needed each other. Both of their philosophies were required. Peaceful resistance must recognize when violence is needed to maintain peace and safe lives. Violent resistance must recognize it is the last tool, not the first, and that you can win many hearts and minds with peaceful methods. Peaceful resistance will otherwise die a quiet death as all are killed, and violent resistance will otherwise die a loud death as all are killed. The former inspires support by those who cannot believe the inhumanity of the opposition. The latter inspires support by survivors who launch guerilla attacks.
But neither succeed.
I read somewhere that Xavier was likened as MLK and Magneto as Malcom X.
Malcom was very problematic in many ways but he does make a lot of correct assements about the dynamics of oppression. Given Malcolm's background mixed with his unabashed stubbornness I give him respect. He was wrong about a lot of things but he wasn't afraid to stand up to anyone and have strong convictions.
Need I remind you of this young man who had it worse than Rogue, and Wolverine had to kill him? This what you want to protect?
I specified rogue. You guys coming at me like I pissed in your pool or some shit.