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submitted 8 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

A whole swath of GOP voters appears firmly committed to not voting for Trump in November.

Donald Trump has a problem no matter what happens in New Hampshire on Tuesday night: There’s a whole swath of the Republican electorate and a good chunk of independents who appear firmly committed to not voting for him in November if he becomes the nominee.

It’s an issue that became starkly apparent in polling ahead of the Iowa caucuses, when an NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll of voters in that state found that fully 43 percent of Nikki Haley supporters said they would back President Joe Biden over Trump. And it’s a dynamic that has been on vivid display as the campaign shifted this week to New Hampshire.

“I can’t vote for Trump. He’s a crook. He’s too corrupt,” said Scott Simeone, 64, an independent voter from Amherst, who backed Trump in 2016 and 2020. “I voted for him, and I didn’t realize he’s as corrupt as he is.”

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[-] nao@sh.itjust.works 18 points 8 months ago

You need to take into account that instead of not voting, you could have voted for the other candidate.

Simple example:
7 voters, 2 candidates, A and B. 3 will vote for A no matter what, 4 oppose A. If 1 voter doesn’t vote, there will be a tie of 3-3. If 2 don’t vote, A will win 3-2. If everyone votes, B will win 4-3.

[-] centof@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

Exactly, voting for someone is helping them get into office. Therefore, voting for candidate C is helping Candidate C. It does not help Candidate A or B. Similarly, voting for candidate B does not help candidate C or A.

In your first example with a tie, 3 voters chose to help candidate A, 3 voters to help candidate B. 1 person chose to help no one by not voting. That 1 person did not help A or B. Trying to argue otherwise is nonsense. It's like saying by not downvoting a post with a misleading headline I am supporting it.

I would agree that not voting does usually hurt the democratic party, but that doesn't mean it is always the case.

[-] badaboomxx@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Ehat a weird hill you choose to die for.

[-] nao@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

Ok, I didn’t take third party voting into account, the example only works if the options are A, B or not voting. But if there was a third option with any chances of winning, things would look different anyway.

The case with the tie is included for the sake of completeness but it’s unlikely to happen, especially if there is more than one person choosing not to vote.

[-] not_again@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

"But if there was a third option with any chances of winning, things would look different anyway."

Aye, there's the rub.

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