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Sovereign citizen has a totally sane question.
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SovCits are a symptom of the breakdown of the social contract, not one of the causes.
It's more a symptom of village idiots finding each other on the web and convincing themselves that they are not idiots. Its a feature of an interconnected world.
It makes sense when you realize they are truly stupid and have been taken in by a con. They get into situations they don't understand, people say magic words they don't understand and they get put in jail. Someone comes along and explains it in such a way only an idiot would believe about magic words and they want to get out. They don't actually understand the words they are using or the context/concepts thar the words that are being used against them represent... And suddenly here we are.
They have the morality of an atomized corporation. Always trying to externalise costs to the rest of the planet. All that matters is their own short term needs.
It's like a cargo cult of late stage capitalism.
It's rooted in white supremacy and anti-Semitism. They are the ones breaking the social contract.
Feels like people just say "It’s rooted in white supremacy and anti-Semitism" about anything now.
Well, anything associated with the right, which the SovCit movement very much is...
Or maybe they never got past the stage of development where they understand that other people exist.
I think they're more a symptom of some people wanting to feel special. Everywhere has selfish people indignant that they have to pay for goods and/or services they use.
There’s that damn social contract I keep hearing about. Still have yet to seen one written.
What exactly is the constitution, or any law, if not a social contract.
If you don't like the social contracts we have, vote for someone to make them better.
Especially when it comes to the social contracts around elections.
What exactly is a BDSM dungeon, if not a social contract?
What exactly is a thanksgiving dinner with the family, if not a social contract?
What exactly is a lemmy shitpost and a dipshit commenting on it, if not a social contract?
What exactly is a terms and conditions, if not a social contract?
What exactly is a terms of service, if not a social contract?
What exactly is a “please, harder daddy” if not a social contract?
My issue with “social contract” is how vague the concept is. I get that it’s an agreement we accept to have certain conditions met. But that definition itself is so vague why are we even discussing it?
You are right in that people seem to be misusing the term "social contract". The actual definition is not vague, but broad. The point is that a person who wants to live in a society accepts its fundamental tenets as they exist in exchange for society at large letting it live amongst itself.
So one example of a social contract might be the one that the USSR and aligned countries' societies had, which had the fundamental law of "things will continue to improve for you, but in exchange you must support our politics". When things stopped improving, people stopped staying out of politics and the society collapsed and reformed.
As far as I understand, the US "social contract" is at least on the level of ideology that if you "pull yourself up by the bootstraps", you get to "live the American Dream". When they talk about people "rejecting the social contract", what they mean is that they don't think that they are getting what they want out of society at large. If it's few people that do this, you get criminals and sovcits.
This theory is just to explain why people at large behave differently if they perceive their society as good, just, liveable, honourable and all manner of positive things.
Consider the sentiment of "If you saw someone steal from Walmart, you didn't, but don't steal from mom-and-pop shops, they need the money".
People say this is because since Walmart is perceived as not adhering to the social contract by stealing wages, killing off small businesses and mooching off public money. That means that, unlike mom-and-pop shops, they are fair game and not dishonourable to steal from. Formal law still applies to them, you will go to jail if they catch you all the same, but society will not shun you. In a way if you break the "unwritten law", then it does not protect you either.
You’re probably right, emphasis on “probably” because the term is so vague we don’t really know what anyone who uses it really means. By the terms you’ve put forth, I too “reject the social contract” of “pulling yourself up by the bootstraps” allowing you to “live the american dream” on account of those words not having any real meaning. As an american, I can draw my own meaning from those words, but it will differ from the meaning others put on those words.
And that’s the thing, because it’s different to each person, we’re all talking about different contracts, that we don’t understand but we assume about each other, causing difficulties in communication.
I’m happy to discuss law, constitution, policy, morality, etc.. but discussing a “social contract” to me sounds like we’re just discussing the unspoken assumptions of others.
As for my social contracts, those who know, know, you know?
social contract noun
is like breaking the law is better than having no lights dawg
It's not against the law to not pay your bills. Just don't expect any electricity, water, a roof, etc.
Do you not have Google?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract
As usual, a link to wikipedia completely cured my stupidity. Thank you!
No, it didn't.
It couldn’t. Same goes for the person finding the link. Same goes for the person assuming I needed to be educated.
Why don’t you agree with my social contract?
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Do we all share the same contract? If yes, then does that mean we share the same morals? Does it take into account how people choose to live and which laws to break?
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It is an implied thing not a tangible written down thing. Which is common in life. For example you are sitting on a bus with your headphones on, it is understood that I don't sit next to you and try to talk to you, unless something out of the ordinary happens and this is critical. In the grocery store you know that your cart goes on the same side of the aisle as you drive on.
All this stuff adds up and it becomes a basket of little rules. Follow them and things will go smoothly, don't and they will go less smoothly. It doesn't mean that your life is going to be even good it doesn't mean nothing bad will happen to you it doesn't mean everyone who breaks it will be punished. It is not even aspirational it is empirical. It is is how human civilization works.
Rules meant to be rules are written. Everything else is just made up.
Please provide evidence for your claim.
You just broke my rules.
name checks out. shitty troll tho. be funnier.
We are not the same. Added to bio to avoid confusion.
Those are just words.