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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by talos_the_true_god@lemmy.world to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world

So, Instagram has started pushing threads into users’ feed, and every now and then we get a glimpse into the unmoderated crapshoot that is that app…

L.E.: should be noted I do not have a threads account, have never even downloaded the app, this is sorta like “advertising” to try to convince you to move to their platform.

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[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 181 points 2 years ago

I’m honestly surprised and shocked that Nazism is rising up again. It is a scary idea that, that ideology is growing bit by bit.

Have people not learnt about and from the past?

[-] talos_the_true_god@lemmy.world 104 points 2 years ago

I think it’s quite likely they’ve learned too well about the past. If recent history (and internet-documented behavior patterns) are to be analyzed, I think it shows that people yearn for power and control over others: just look at all the karens, the reddit mods (you know which kind), the trolls, supporters of certain parties and so on.

I guess they imagine that extremist regimes will provide them with that power, without taking a moment to think “oh, wait, the chances that I’ll be the one oppressing and not the one oppressed are miniscule” (and that’s setting all other moral things aside).

It’s a scary thought, like you said.

[-] EldritchFeminity 9 points 2 years ago

I think part of that stems from a lack of control over their own lives. They feel powerless in their own situation in life, and an easy excuse fed to them to satisfy that lack of control is by stomping on somebody else. "It's not our fault that your life sucks, it's obviously insert minority here who's to blame!"

[-] pop@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

I guess they imagine that extremist regimes will provide them with that power, without taking a moment to think “oh, wait, the chances that I’ll be the one oppressing and not the one oppressed are miniscule” (and that’s setting all other moral things aside).

I'm pretty sure the ones oppressing and the regimes always have something in common (race most often, then wealth). Even if there is a slight chances the regime might turn against them, the minority and the rest will be the first to bear the brunt of the force which will be cheered on. And by the time the regime turns on them (unlikely), most will have had enough of a clue to prepare or escape.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think it shows that people yearn for power and control over others:

People don't do that as such. They search for power as a result of being under power. In a sense complaining about Nazism is like complaining that some people, when trying to get rid of their shackles, flail violently instead of using a lockpick: It's a symptom of a symptom, by no means core nature.

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[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago

The United States was the primary source of inspiration for the German Nazis. Even as the fascist Nazi party was rising up in Germany. They were mimicking fascists in the United States. The German beer hall putch was not an isolated or unique event. The fascists here in the United States had the business plot. Which FDR almost completely dropped the ball on in exchange for short-term gains. Letting these seditious fascist escape with their lives to regroup and continue plotting. Long ago having clawed back most of the short-term gains FDR got.

Within barely a generation they were running bigoted racists like Nixon and winning. Soon followed by the rather open protofascist Reagan. Whose vice president was former head spook at the CIA. The same CIA that had spent much of the early 20th century overthrowing democracies and destabilizing the rest of the world. He also happened to be the son of the man that was most likely to have been their intended leader to install as fascist dictator. Who's coke adult son a little over a decade later followed in his father's footsteps.

Fascists in the US at least have never had consequences to learn from. They've barely had to setbacks. They just slow boiled it here. But we still arrived at poisoning the blood of our country and blood and soil. Eventually. January 6th was not even the first Republican coup plot that we know about.

And there are plenty in the UK and Europe that learned the wrong lessons from world war II as well.

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago

Long ago, I saw a documentary series about dictators, and it had some interesting things to say about the source of inspiration Hitler had. You see, Benito Mussolini transformed Italy and wrote the book on how to build a fascist country. Hitler took those ideas and started applying them on a larger scale.

[-] mob@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Always weird how excited people are to shoehorn blaming the US imo

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Yes, how dare we acknowledge our own faults. Always weird how desperately people are to hand wave away our own guilt. Like we never turned away shiploads of fleeing Jews. And American companies didn't help logistically to teach Jews on the way to the gas chamber. Or worse.

[-] mob@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's just interesting to me how radicalized the Internet is nowadays. Any excuse to bring up a way to shit on the US is jumped at. Especially on Lemmy. I'm starting to wondering if that's the point of Lemmy as well.

It's not like the small communities here are surviving.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Acknowledging well documented history is being radical? That's a hot take.

Look the fact that you cannot counterpoint or rebuff any of the claims that I made. Instead choosing to whine ineffectually like a petulant child. That's on you. Educate yourself or stop disagreeing with reality. Those are your only two real options if you don't want to be seen as childish and ignorant.

Communities here are surviving just fine. I'm fine with smaller more intelligent communities. If you need the noise and baseless blather of fashiverse. We aren't holding you hostage. You are welcome to stay here. But you're going to have a bad time as long as you try to deny or deflect on history. It's the same thing I say to the stalinists, the maoists, and the other Bolshevik boys.

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[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I’m honestly surprised and shocked that Nazism is rising up again

Have people not learnt about and from the past?

or have you just not been paying attention? Nazism and fascism never went anywhere, and have been openly on the rise again for a significant while now, and those of us who it already impacts have been fighting them as best we can every step of the way. So maybe instead of pointing your finger at others, you should be asking yourself how this can possibly be taking you by surprise, unless you weren't paying as much attention as you like to think you have..

[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Don’t know about you but in my country there’s barely to no Nazism. Sorry if I don’t go out of my way to search for it.

ETA: It is also illegal in my country.

[-] Flibbertigibbet@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago
[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago
[-] camelbeard@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

Seriously? Right after Wilders got the most votes?

Extremists in the Netherlands don't call themselves Nazis but the ideology isn't very different.

[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago

First, I didn’t vote for him. Secondly, majority voted him to avoid the VVD winning.

I wish he didn’t win.

However claiming that Wilders is similar to Nazi is.. Odd. He doesn’t want to kill others.

Also why tryin to change subject from Nazism to Wilders?

[-] EldritchFeminity 12 points 2 years ago

I don't know anything about the Netherlands situation, but Nazism is just one particular flavor of fascism, and all forms of fascism have been on the rise in recent years. Especially white supremacist forms.

Hitler didn't start out with killing people either. He started out the exact same way as Trump (in fact, one of Trump's former wives has said that he used to read Hitler's speeches before bed, so it would be no surprise to learn that he's straight up copying Hitler); blaming Germany's problems on immigrants and Jews, going after the LGBTQ population in Germany, even promising to build a wall around the German border to keep out illegal immigrants if he got elected. Trump's campaign slogan, "Make America Great Again," came from a pro-Nazi WW2 political party called America First. There is now an "America First Foundation" that proudly declares themselves as a movement that's an "amalgamation of traditional values, Trumpian populism, and American Nationalism" (their own words right off their website). Not only are they literally using the exact same name, but "traditional values" is one of those major red flags that means "white supremacy," as is nationalism. They don't call themselves Nazis, but they sure as hell share all the same values.

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[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

isn't it banned basically everywhere?
at least the antisemitism part of it

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

I think, it is, but we all see that banning something isn't enough to get rid of it

[-] JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago

This comment reminds me of the Chumbawamba song "The Day The Nazi Died", the lyrics are about pretty much what you said.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OLkPwxcIji0

[-] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

It's kind of a cycle with capitalism. There's no real way to control it other than to get rid of capitalism altogether.

People HAVE learnt from the past. It’s just the wrong people, and they learned the wrong lessons.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago

As the number of people who personally had interactions with the OG Nazis continues to reduce toward zero, the people who are following that same fascist ideology will start to slither their way into influence and the whole cycle will try to repeat.

[-] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Is it though? Or are we just calling more and more things nazi that in reality aren't? I can only speak for myself but in my case that word has entirely lost its meaning. It's basically calling someone stupid.

[-] Jomega@lemmy.world 62 points 2 years ago

That is literally a swastika.

[-] Goferking0@ttrpg.network 21 points 2 years ago

I love people saying we're just calling more things nazi when a major USA party has been actively using the American nazi party logos, slogans and ideas for years.

[-] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

And the person who posted it is far more likely to be an edgy teenager than a literal nazi. My question still stands.

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 30 points 2 years ago

Quite a few of the original nazis were those too, or started that way. Groups like that are known for recruiting the youth.

[-] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago

Open your fuckin eyes, dude. It’s blatant and not hidden anymore. If you don’t see it, that’s because you’re choosing not to.

[-] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago

I see the huge demand for nazies but I literally never encounter them anywhere. People are calling Elon Musk a nazi for example so pardon my scepticism when I hear claims that it's on a rise.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago

No, they are calling Elmo antisemite for agreeing to a post claiming all Jews hate whites.

Antisemites aren't Nazis, but they are close.

Trump on the other hand is literally out there calling for dictatorship and throwing all his enemies into prison, while blaming migrants for everything.

You can ignore the world around you, but the rest of us see the connections.

Anyway, the only good Nazi is a dead one, this includes the people who only do so to be edgy.

[-] root_beer@midwest.social 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

A lot of full-on earnest racism these days has its beginnings in edgy ironic racism

[-] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago

I was talking about nazies. Literal nazies. Racism is just a slice of it.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

What's the effective difference between being a Nazi "to be edgy" and just being a Nazi?

[-] highenergyphysics@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

You can use thinner rope for the former!

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

I don't think that's necessarily true, right wing activist trolls go for volume.

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[-] olutukko@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

If you read the news there has been multiple neonazi parties getting arrested for gathering guns for some nwo shit. And conservative and borderline faschist politicam parties are on the rise in multiple european countries. So no we are not just calling stuff nazies for no reason

[-] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago

Sure, but I never claimed that they don't exist. I'm just very sceptical about the claim that it's getting more common. I don't even remember when I last time saw a proper skinhead. Even those seemed to be way more common 15 years ago. And yes I know not all of them are nazies either.

[-] ickplant@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

They are not just skinheads anymore. They wear polo shirts and khakis. Did you miss the march in Charlotsville along with many other gatherings of that nature? Just because you are ignorant of this doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

[-] ladicius@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Yep, they didn't learn anything.

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