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I completely agree the US needs to change some things but what I'm asking is are the 1.5-2 year old laws made in Canada actually cutting down on gun violence in Canada? Because what I see first hand is no change.
The laws you’re taking about are much older and the ones you’re thinking about haven’t been made law yet.
I linked an article that shows the actual numbers but I can’t do much about how you feel.
I mean this in the most polite and conversational way possible but what you are saying is wrong.
October 21 2022 a national freeze on sale and transfer of handguns was placed. It is still in effect today unless you take a restricted firearms course.
The article you linked me does in fact show that the US has a gun violence problem, which I believe should be rectified. How? I don't know.
Your article makes no mention of handgun/restricted weapon (automatic rifles) crime statistics decreasing after 2022, which is what I am getting at.
All these laws were in place in 2019.
2022 changed some rules on buying or transferring ownership of restricted weapons.
I stand corrected by several years, but again, I don't think recent amendments 2019+ has reduced crime. Our government has taken lawful gun owners, and are trying to take their weapons away. No criminal who owned a handgun is going to go and turn in their weapon that they may use in a crime.
Edit: take a look at this link https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2022001/article/00009-eng.htm
It is firearm crime statistics from 2009 to 2021. I would like to see up to 2023 but it isn't there unfortunately. I see no correlation to 2019 law amendments and decreasing crime. Except for maybe robberies. Which I would have expected to increase with COVID and unemployment. That being said perhaps there hasn't been enough time passed to reflect the law changes via statistics.
We’re talking about something entirely different then we started off taking about.
I’ll let you have this conversation by yourself.
We started off talking about whether recent Canada gun law amendments actually cut down on firearm crime. You then presented statistics about the US.
What’s the article this thread is based on?
You said US gun control won’t work because you feel Canada’s doesn’t. I showed you otherwise and you started to move goalposts.
I literally did not say that. I offered a conversation point to compare with what Canada has been doing and asked how it has cut down on crime
A lot of the laws you quoted were Canadian laws pre-2015, the article I linked was from 2019 which was to correct when you were saying previously.
Maybe familiarize yourself with the laws and when they changed, then see if you see differences because it’s hard to see what changed if you don’t know what you’re looking at.
Anyways, real world numbers from the first article I linked showed that Canada’s laws work better then the US ones.
Between 2019 and 2023 the Canadian government issued a ban on "assault style weapons" including pistols shorter than 105mm in length.
Another commenter pointed out that law was to prevent them being stolen during break and enters which makes sense, but even then I've never heard of that happening. I'm sure it does in larger cities So back to the original question of did the change of law to give your newly prohibited weapons back to the government decrease crime rates?
Respectfully your understanding of the laws and timeline are confused.
Bill C-21 got royal assent December 15, 2023.
That’s about two weeks ago which might be why you haven’t noticed a difference.
The other article I linked from 2022 was just to do with sale and transfer of ownership.
All the laws that you stated in your original comment were all in place before 2015.
But what you're not understanding is HE REALLY LIKES HIS GUNS AND YOU ARE BEING MEAN TO THOSE GUNS. Won't someone please think of the 9mm handguns being mercilessly attacked here?? They have feelings and rights too.
You guys are nuts. I own zero firearms so I can take it or leave it. You putting words into my mouth is non helpful to the conversation. So why don't we go back to my original comment, which asked are recent amendments to gun laws actually cutting down on crime in Canada. Instead of attacking why don't you offer some anecdotal evidence like Mr cumfart over there instead of jumping into the echo chamber and attacking someone?
On May 1, 2020, the Government of Canada announced a prohibition on more than 1,500 models and variants of assault-style firearms, such as the AR-15. Since then, approximately 500 additional variants of these prohibited firearms have also been prohibited.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safety-canada/campaigns/firearms-buyback.html
There is a link to what I'm talking about.
Nothing has changed from your link so what are you trying to prove here?
Well I'm being told I'm confused on the timeline. Sure by a year or so. All I'm trying to prove is: is the law in question as to whether it is actually reducing crime. I've asked the same question a dozen times and all I get back is hey this guy is a dumb gun nut. In retrospect I could have worded a clearer question right off the bat. No one is perfect
The law doesn’t take effect until 2025 so how would it reduce crime now?
People are supposed to be complying with that since 2020 since it's announced. Yes 2025 is the amnesty deadline, but if people haven't taken part now, they won't by then.
Edit: the actual buyback program doesn't take effect until 2025 when the amnesty period ends. So again, with having 2000 models of weapons now prohibited since 2020, has it made an impact on firearm crime rates? Another question to ask is whether the buyback program will reduce crime rates. Which if all these prohibited weapons are already locked up like fort Knox, what real difference will it make?
Nothing changed for legal owners so I’m not understanding your argument.
Canada’s gun crime rate is one seventh of the US’s so I think they’re doing something right.
As far as guessing if laws changing in the future will affect gun crime rates, I don’t know.
I will wait to see what the numbers say.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Having a conversation with internet strangers isn't embarrassing. I stand by my original point which is: are recent amendments calling to bring your grandfather's ww2 weapons in and get rid of them because they are deemed "assault style" actually reducing crime?
"On May 1, 2020, the Government of Canada announced a prohibition on more than 1,500 models and variants of assault-style firearms, such as the AR-15. Since then, approximately 500 additional variants of these prohibited firearms have also been prohibited."
Is this actually reducing crime post may 1 2020? Sure you really don't need to own a fully automatic assault rifle so I get that. Is this prohibition effective in reducing gun violence?