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communism has killed 100 million people
Stems from the black book of Communism which counts nazis killed by the Soviets, everyone killed by the nazis in the USSR, unborn children and even more absurd shit like that just to get to that number lmao.
If we count shit like that, Capitalism has killed billions.
Even using their numbers, if the choice is between 100 million people and every single living thing on the planet, communism sounds like a pretty good deal.
Only if you don't adjust for functioning existence lmao.
You call this functioning?
I'm sorry, remind me which communist shitholes function better than the average modern capitalist democracy?
Ah yes, India, Haiti, and Myanmar. Definitely what people instantly think of when prompted for the average modern capitalist democracy rather than the us, uk, denmark, sweden, norway, germany, netherlands...cherry pick a bit harder and you might start making sense
Those were your picks for the average capitalist democracy but I'm the one cherry picking? Lmao
So Myanmar, really? the country that got coup'd in 2021 is what you think of as a modern democracy? So are you retarded or just bad faith? Maybe both?
Haiti? Where just in 2021 their president was assassinated. Point should be clear, your selection of the "average modern democracy" was just bad faith coping garbage. Even looking at the rankings, Myanmar doesn't qualify as a democracy for obvious reasons, Haiti is almost at the bottom of the list and India isn't even halfway up. So yes, it does seem that you're both bad faith and retarded. Point clear? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Ranking
Sure "arbitrary methodology" keep coping.
At least they're all on the list. You actually went for Myanmar lmao.
The truth is most countries on that list, even the poor non-cOlOniAliSt ones are infinitely better than the communist shitholes that you've never lived in, or likely even visited.
China's great leap and the soviet famine alone take you more than half way there using the higher estimates (now add gulags, red terror, etc...) might not get exactly to 100, but it's not so far off to qualify meaningfully as a lie (unless you're speaking to a braindead tankie).
The problem with these counts is there is no way of making them look good, like lives saved due to "x". How many people lived because the Soviets managed to eliminate all famines in their territory after that? A huge feat given their relative frequency beforehand.
And then you can blame countless deaths on capitalism, feudalism, slavery, but then do you normalize those numbers based on total world population?
What about blaming AK-47s? The police?
My point is that it's a pointless metric that is only used to drum up support against some group of people, not a useful one for objectively understanding anything. It does away with all context, and replaces it with some inane number.
You do realise that saying "Pfft 100 million is ridiculous propaganda, it was most likely just 50 million" kinda sounds retarded, right?
No, braindead tankies are never that direct. They prefer to dance around semantics and obfuscate their retarded points.
Feel free to clarify your point
The point is just "100 is an exaggeration"? That's all? Thanks for the contribution cOmRaDe
I think the point is that it's difficult to attribute that to communism in any meaningful way where you're comparing it to non-communism. Like if those 100 million people would have died anyway, how to do you say 'it was communism that did it' since maybe more would have died under the next most likely form of government that would have been in it's place. How many people have died for Democracy, assuming that both world wars and countless other ones were fought to defend it.
Ehhhh, because you can tie it directly to communist policies like collectivisation?
I specifically named collectivisation you donkey.
Well it's at least 75 million so what's another 25?