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Right? This poll is literally the same as asking young voters if they would rather have their entire heads cut off or just their eyes and ears gouged out.
What on earth are you talking about? Joe Biden tried to give 20k to each of them who went to college. And he would have if the--let me check my notes here: oh, right--Nazis in the other party hadn't sued to prevent him from giving away money.
I appreciate that Biden might not be some folks' first choice, but if you think young people believe another four years of Grampa Joe is just barely more tolerable than the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist traitors, you might need to meet one.
Brother he's basically a war criminal the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist dictators is already happening
Unlike that peace-lover Trump who only cares about the welfare of the Palestinian people, right?
You misspelled Russia.
Centrists falsely interpret all criticism of Biden as support for Trump. It's dishonest.
And realists know that bashing Biden with no nuance, as these comments are doing, does nothing but benefit Republicans.
Centrists just want everyone to their left and only their left to shut up.
Then what you're telling us is there is no opportunity for improvement... Clinton was 30 years ago and Biden is to the right of Clinton. Three decades of "incremental progress" has gotten us nowhere.
It's gotten centrists where they want to go.
Towards fascism?
I mean, you can only appease fascists for so long before it starts to look like collaboration.
When you don't vote, therefore allowing Trump to win the election...then yeah.
Equating the above with "all criticism" is what's dishonest. Plenty of people criticize Biden who voted for him once, and they are still voting for him again. But you know that. We might not like him but believe it or not, we dislike fascism even more. Crazy, I know.
My criticism of Biden is totally my endorsement of trump for sure
Do you have the name of a third person who has a chance of being elected in 2024?
? So I should just love Biden? I don't understand what you mean. I never said anything about voting did I?
This is a thread about young voters and their willingness to vote for Biden.
So if you weren't talking about voting, were you just changing the subject to talk about what you wanted to talk about? I'd say that's pretty discourteous to the person who posted this.
I was responding to a comment, that was basically it. I was expressing dislike for a presidential candidate in a thread about presidential candidates
Also I came back to say this. How do you not see Biden and Trump being our only feasible options as inherently undemocratic? People only like them in comparison to the other. We should not be forced to choose between two objective evils. Are you so resigned to stagnation that you think continuing to enforce a system that exploits is the best option?
What should or shouldn't happen is not relevant to reality.
The reality is no one is going to change the fact that either a Democrat or a Republican is going to be president in 2024
I notice you couldn't name any other viable options. I think that means you realize that.
Yes I realize that. It's painfully obvious and it's fucked. However I don't think this can be changed by voting for the lesser evil who is constantly getting more evil
Again- there are two viable options. A Democrat or a Republican. What does voting for anyone else accomplish? Did voting for Perot change the status quo in 1992? Did voting for Nader change the status quo in 2000? No.
If you want to do the self-congratulating, performative act of voting for someone who has no chance of winning, go for it. If I felt that way, I just wouldn't vote because it would make the same amount of difference but I wouldn't have had to make an effort. Either way, the only one who will know what you did is you.
It doesn't really matter in the long run, America is run by oil companies, not the people. Joe signed off on more land for drilling than trump did.
I believe those were agreements signed by Trump that Biden had to follow through on, no?
But let’s also be clear, Biden appointed the first Native Secretary of the Interior and signed the Inflation Reduction Act (the most significant climate legislation the US has ever had). Trump appointed Scott Pruitt to lead the EPA.
One will kill us slightly faster than the other. Great.
He seems to be doing a pretty good job given his poor circumstances where the Republican house and supreme court are both totally useless.
He didn't have those issues in his first two years. His own party blocked his agenda.
Wel the first two years we had the fuckheads Sinema and Manchin who are basically republicans at this point
Sinema didn't kill the minimum wage increase by herself. She was one of 8 democrats to vote against workers.
Manchin is the perfect centrist Democrat.
This...just absolutely this. I was going to post something along the lines of it being a choice between eating shit or being flayed alive, but this is just better. Kudos.
Wow you guys are so original 🙄
We totally are. thanks.
Maybe pay attention to what's actually happening rather than just repeating what other people say about him.
Biden is continuing to seek (and find) pathways to forgiving student loan debt, despite the Supreme Court ruling against his program. Millions of people have had their loans forgiven since that decision, and it seems more are getting it every day.
Anyone who thinks he's senile or incoherent should listen to the interview he did on Conan O'Brien's podcast that was released the other day. I was surprised that it went so well, and Biden was far more lucid than I've ever seen Trump.
I don't think he's senile, I just think he's out of touch. It's hard to be in touch as an 80-some year old man.