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US already admitted earlier that this is in fact a weather balloon, and this is further proof that it was not any sort of a spy balloon. The whole drama was completely made up, and the highest US authorities continue to spread lies months after.
Umm, source on an official US statement calling it a weather balloon and denying it was a spy balloon? China's alleged failure to collect data due to mitigations and countermeasures doesn't mean it's a weather balloon.
You have no facts to backup "US spreading lies". No evidence whatsoever. You have the US' story, China's story, and millions of photos of a absurdly large apparatus floating across the US that looks nothing like a weather balloon.
The context for the discussion is US admitting that the balloon did not collect information. 🤡
@yogthos @steltek pffft…the ballon did not “transmit” any information. It absolutely did try to collect information. Stop telling lies.
It did not "collect" information
@zephyreks ...but it wasn't from lack of trying... the countermeasures the US used kept it from collecting any sensitive intelligence. That's the part you propagandists keep leaving out.
It did not collect information. You're hallucinating statements that don't exist and you're also hallucinating propagandists that don't exist.
I'd ask you to get it checked out, but I'm afraid that you'd hallucinate a doctor that doesn't exist.
@zephyreks There you go again. You're either blatantly trying to mislead people or you're an idiot.
"But "it has been our assessment now that it did not collect while it was transiting the United States or over flying the United States".
He said the efforts the US took to mitigate any intelligence gathering "contributed" to the balloon's failure to gather sensitive information."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66062562
I'm seriously confused where you get your impression from. It's been known that lead exposure leads to hallucinations, so you might want to get your paint checked out?
@zephyreks You could only be seriously confused about where I get my "impression" from if you're an absolute idiot considering I included the link to the BBC article where I got that "impression".
Yeah, we agree that it was not collected. But, you keep leaving out the part about where they tried. Make sure you put that in your talking points next time. They tried but failed. Ergo, they did not collect any intelligence.
Nowhere in the article does it say that they tried.
I'm like legitimately worried for you. Lead contamination is a serious problem.
@zephyreks Here's another one for you then. See if you can comprehend what Brigadere General Pat Ryder is saying...
"Ryder was asked Thursday whether he believes those U.S. mitigation efforts were responsible for the balloon's failure to gather any info.
"Certainly, the efforts that we made contributed," he said."
https://abcnews.go.com/US/chinese-spy-balloon-american-made-parts-transmit-data/story?id=100476856
Last I checked, the Pentagon falls higher on the scale of "reliable statements by government" than some random General.
@zephyreks dude I don’t know any other way to explain it to you so that you can comprehend it. The balloon was trying to collect information and was thwarted. You have it from a brigadier general that mitigation efforts certainly contributed to the balloon not collecting any information. You can try and act like it was just not collecting information out of the goodness of the Chinese’s heart, but that is a blatant misrepresentation of fact.
Not according to the Pentagon, which last I checked was a more reliable source than a single General. A General can say whatever they want, but the Pentagon has to actually check facts.
@zephyreks You work for the Pentagon? I notice that you've made that claim twice without any reference material to justify your claim. But sure, if you feel the need to impune the character of a US Brigadere General and esentially call him in a liar, I know who I'm going to trust and it's not your word.
You know that I can’t disclose that, but if you read the article it clearly states the Pentagon’s statement.
@zephyreks 😂 😂 😂 😂 🤥 💩
Read the article linked in the post buddy
@zephyreks Dude, you're a fucking idiot. Here's the press release from the Pentagon where Brigadier General Pat Ryder says exactly what I've been pointing out.... that US countermeasures certainly contributed to the balloon not collecting any information. So there you have it, from the official Pentagon press release by the same guy I've been telling you about repeatedly but you refuse to believe. 🤡 https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3444912/pentagon-press-secretary-air-force-brig-gen-pat-ryder-holds-a-press-briefing/
Q: So you believe your efforts stopped it from collecting and transmitting or was it able to collect but just not able to transmit?
GEN. RYDER: We believe that it did not collect while it was transiting the United States or flying over the United States, and certainly the efforts that we made contributed, I'm sure.
The question gave two possibilities: it collected and didn’t transmit, and it didn’t collect. The General states that it didn’t collect, and he’s sure that they were able to mitigate anything if it did collect (which it didn’t). Basic English. He also does not refer to the balloon as a spy balloon FWIW, correcting the journalist who did refer to it as one.
@zephyreks What exactly did the countermeasures contribute to if it wasn't collecting to begin with?
That part of the story seems yet to be cited. Going by the article accompanying the post title, there's no such admission. Manufacturing international incidents for political reasons is not a new thing and not new to the US either , but purely on grounds of reading comprehension alone there's no contradiction here and no admission of anything either, as a matter of fact the claim the US is making is supposed to bolster their position by claiming the balloon was unable to spy on them despite best efforts. The veracity of the claim is another matter.
Thing is that the whole story does not stand up to scrutiny. US admitted that they tracked the balloon from the start and that it's most likely been blown off course:
The above paragraph basically says that US officials intentionally lied from the start. All the further evidence that's come out continues to support the idea that this wasn't any sort of a spy balloon. The real story here is why does US is trying to escalate tensions with China.