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[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

I'm not understanding the contradiction here. They're saying it was a spy balloon for spying but that it failed at its task. Not sure how true that is, no way for me to tell but there's no inherent paradox here.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

US already admitted earlier that this is in fact a weather balloon, and this is further proof that it was not any sort of a spy balloon. The whole drama was completely made up, and the highest US authorities continue to spread lies months after.

[-] steltek@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Umm, source on an official US statement calling it a weather balloon and denying it was a spy balloon? China's alleged failure to collect data due to mitigations and countermeasures doesn't mean it's a weather balloon.

You have no facts to backup "US spreading lies". No evidence whatsoever. You have the US' story, China's story, and millions of photos of a absurdly large apparatus floating across the US that looks nothing like a weather balloon.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

The context for the discussion is US admitting that the balloon did not collect information. 🤡

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[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

That part of the story seems yet to be cited. Going by the article accompanying the post title, there's no such admission. Manufacturing international incidents for political reasons is not a new thing and not new to the US either , but purely on grounds of reading comprehension alone there's no contradiction here and no admission of anything either, as a matter of fact the claim the US is making is supposed to bolster their position by claiming the balloon was unable to spy on them despite best efforts. The veracity of the claim is another matter.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Thing is that the whole story does not stand up to scrutiny. US admitted that they tracked the balloon from the start and that it's most likely been blown off course:

U.S. intelligence agencies tracked the Chinese spy balloon from its launch in China and watched as it may have been inadvertently blown into U.S. airspace, a U.S. official has confirmed to ABC News.

This latest revelation differs significantly from the previous narrative related by the White House and U.S. military officials over recent days, which has changed repeatedly since the balloon's existence became public when it was spotted over Montana on Feb. 1.

The above paragraph basically says that US officials intentionally lied from the start. All the further evidence that's come out continues to support the idea that this wasn't any sort of a spy balloon. The real story here is why does US is trying to escalate tensions with China.

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[-] gbin@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

What I understand from the context is that it was a spying device but they jammed the hell out of it while flying over the US then took it down.

[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

That's my point. The original poster is trying to draw a line between statements that the balloon was a spying device and later statements that it did not collect intelligence while it transited over US territory as evidence that it wasn't a spying device and that the former of those statements is therefore inherently a lie. My take, without assessing the truthfulness of the claims, is that the linked articles do not support such a conclusion. One can claim the device was for spying and that it also didn't collect intelligence without contradiction because the claim is that it failed to collect intelligence, not that it did not intend to do so in the first place.

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