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You do realize that the US has control of South Korea's military during time of war, correct? It's an explicit part of their structure. South Korea quite literally does not have complete agency, despite what you're saying.
That's actually ahistorical. There were numerous pro-democracy protests, and subsequent massacres by the ROK. Gwang-ju is perhaps the most famous example of the ROK slaughtering countless civilians protesting for democracy, but it happened during wartime as well. Korea's modern history, North and South, is intensely complicated and messy, and to pretend it's a simple matter of the US protecting the defenseless South Koreans from the big bad North Koreans is just as wrong as saying that North Korea is 100% good and just.
There's also the No Gun Ri Massacre, by which American soldiers murdered hundreds of South Korean men, women, and children.
South Korea in particular has a history of military dictatorship, coups, and massacres of pro-democracy civilians, and even in recent years is still having trouble with fascism.
Which part was the historical fallacy? The part where I gave explicit examples of both the ROK and US massacring civilians, or the part where I mentioned that South Korea has major issues with rising fascist movements, such as under current president Yoon? The same president who has targeted women and disabled people to rile up the increasingly conservative male voterbase, similar to how Trump rose to power in the US?
North Korea isn't a good state, not in any meaningful capacity, but neither is South Korea. Additionally, the ROK was modeled by the Americans, the Korean intelligence agency is literally the KCIA. The ROK is essentially a US puppet state, they are allowed to govern themselves until what they do goes against the US.
Do you think parties are the will of the people? Especially considering the aforementioned anti-democratic massacres, such as Gwang-Ju in 1980, not 1950 or 1960?
You don't need a PhD to figure out that you clearly have a pro-American bias and don't actually care about historical accuracy.
You've been routinely wrong, and keep moving goal posts. Have you been ignoring President Yoon's flirtation with fascism, and the specific targeting of minority populations, women, and disabled people? Do you believe South Korea's history has no bearing on modern day politics?
South Korea is fundamentally controlled by the Chaebol and the US, despite protests against it.
Is pointing out the numerous issues with South Korea and the sovereignty of its citizens akin to being pro-North Korea? I don't think so.
You truly don't care to acknowledge that parties are not the people, do you? That only furthers my point, that South Korea cannot go against the US.
I never said there was constant massacring, I said South Korea has had numerous issues with massacring their population in modern history. This is factually correct, you even pretended it was limited to the 50s and 60s, and you still ignore President Yoon's fascist practices.
You truly have nowhere to stand on.
Yes. They were "democratic" before 1980.
I understand why South Korean parties bend the knee, but your original point is wrong and you've shifted.
It's not hard to see that the US has explicit power over South Korea, regardless of what the citizens want. You're bending over backwards to justify US Imperialism.
That's certainly a dodge. Keep bending over backwards to justify US Imperialism, one day it might bite you.
Yes, I have. The majority of my knowledge of South Korean politics comes from South Korean immigrants, and confirmation via independent research on my own. You aren't introducing any cognitive dissonance, you're just giving me the opportunity to yet again prove you wrong.
What have I made up, exactly? That I touch grass and am close with many South Korean immigrants? If that's what you take issue with, I can walk away from this convo knowing that I was 100% correct the entire time, and you just cope and mald, calling me a liar, despite me being 100% correct about everything I've said leading up to this recent comment.
More dodging, lol.
-Moves goalposts the entire time and refuses to admit that the US has power over the people of South Korea
-baselessly claims I'm a liar for touching grass and talking to people who have been directly impacted by what I'm talking about
Lol
Building dependency, by which the US maintains an important foothold on East Asian soil.
By providing aid and by engineering the ROK during its founding. Pretty simple stuff.
Are you legitimately trying to argue that history has no bearing on current conditions? Lmao.
The ROK was built by the US, and modeled as they saw fit. You're making the same argument that the US constitution doesn't impact modern American life, because George Washington is dead. That's a fallacy, it hasn't been restructured in any meaningful capacity.
Yes, the ROK has peacetime control. They don't have wartime control, despite posturing. The US still keeps the ROK on a leash, and is waiting for the time when they don't even need to directly control the ROK as they will be subservient regardless.
You really love Imperialism, I guess.
I literally gave the KCIA as an example, the ROK itself is designed by the US.
You're clearly not interested in answering honestly or directly, just dodging and justifying Imperialism, rather than sovereignty.
you're such an utter ignoramus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung_Hee
Imagine claiming that US having installed a brutal dictatorship in occupied Korea after the war has nothing to do with the debate dronie.
Obviously a dronie thinks that occupied Korea is a flourishing democracy. ๐